So these are the new costs for teching that will be with us on the 21st.
(In BLUE are the costs to unlock their entire tech tree, and in GREEN, are the costs to rush for their LAST tier.)
SOV (Start with 50 Fuel)
40
80
90
50
260 - 210
Wehr (Start with 20 Fuel)
40
45
50
20
75
80
310 (Cannot realistically skip any tier buildings in a close game).
OKW (start with 40 fuel)
40
40
80
160+33.3% = 210 160
USF (Start with 15 Fuel)
50
60
120
230 - 170
SO...
OKW tech costs are cheaper than all other factions, however probably to counter the fact that their tanks are alot more expencive. The cost of the new P4 in their tech tree may be a deciding factor to the outcome of this.
USF are the second cheapest. However their vehicles are not as expensive as OKW and an issue here would be the arrival of US tanks too early. (OKW at least have timers on their trucks).
Soviet, Pretty happy with these costs. Its nice that finally they will have to build T3 rather than rushing out a Katyusha within 12 mins.
Wehrmacht... Now this here is probably the issue. 310 fuel is ALOT higher than any of the other factions, and Wehrmacht cannot realistically skip a teir in a close game (1v1 or 2v2) Unlike the soviets or USF or OKW. I fail to see the point of decreasing the Battle phase costs by 5, to increase building costs by 50...
Meaning they are nearly 100 fuel more expensive to tech than any other faction.
/Discuss.
New Incoming Teching Costs.
14 Jul 2015, 18:42 PM
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14 Jul 2015, 18:54 PM
#2
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What issue?
If you're talking about T3 level armor, then you need to subtract BP3 and T4 costs from wehr.
You will NOT go T3 and T4 anymore, you have easier way to go T4, you have a choice.
You're making a storm in the glass of water here.
If you're talking about T3 level armor, then you need to subtract BP3 and T4 costs from wehr.
You will NOT go T3 and T4 anymore, you have easier way to go T4, you have a choice.
You're making a storm in the glass of water here.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Jul 2015, 18:56 PM
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Well the first tier for Soviets, Wehr, and OKW is free. Also if you divide OKW tier costs by the fuel income (.66) then OKW teching costs look like this:
T1:60 (free)
T2:60
T3:120
The cost of a PIV for Ostheer will be (assuming you rush and skip the T2 buildings) 40 + 45 + 75 + 125 = 285 fuel
The cost of a PIV for OKW will be (knowing the first tech is free) (80 + 135)/.66 = 325 fuel
So timing wise they should come out close to each other if rushed.
T1:60 (free)
T2:60
T3:120
The cost of a PIV for Ostheer will be (assuming you rush and skip the T2 buildings) 40 + 45 + 75 + 125 = 285 fuel
The cost of a PIV for OKW will be (knowing the first tech is free) (80 + 135)/.66 = 325 fuel
So timing wise they should come out close to each other if rushed.
14 Jul 2015, 18:59 PM
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Every fucking time.
OKW multiplier is 1.5.
because 0.66*1.5 = 1.
so in your calculation it would be 240 180.
OKW multiplier is 1.5.
because 0.66*1.5 = 1.
so in your calculation it would be 240 180.
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14 Jul 2015, 19:01 PM
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It's not even the fuel costs that bother me so much, though they are a bit high, it's the manpower costs that frustrate me. 360 MP to tech Battle Phase 2 and build Tier 3 is just ridiculous.
14 Jul 2015, 19:03 PM
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Every fucking time.
OKW multiplier is 1.5.
because 0.66*1.5 = 1.
so in your calculation it would be 240 180.
(80+135)*1.5 = 322
(80+135)/.66 = 325
Dividing by .66 and multiplying by 1.5 is basically the same thing.
14 Jul 2015, 19:06 PM
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What issue?
If you're talking about T3 level armor, then you need to subtract BP3 and T4 costs from wehr.
You will NOT go T3 and T4 anymore, you have easier way to go T4, you have a choice.
You're making a storm in the glass of water here.
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14 Jul 2015, 19:11 PM
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Why would you even want to go T4? So you can get the Sturmpanzer and Panzerwerfer? lol
If you skip T3 and go straight for a Panther (but don't skip T2) you have to pay 410 fuel for your first Panther.
If you skip T3 and go straight for a Panther (but don't skip T2) you have to pay 410 fuel for your first Panther.
14 Jul 2015, 19:49 PM
#9
Posts: 600
What issue?
If you're talking about T3 level armor, then you need to subtract BP3 and T4 costs from wehr.
You will NOT go T3 and T4 anymore, you have easier way to go T4, you have a choice.
You're making a storm in the glass of water here.
The issue is T4 has been killed again.
With T3 50 fuel more expensive than it is currently and T4 another 50 fuel more expensive... people wont be able to go T4 in competitive games.
14 Jul 2015, 19:54 PM
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Posts: 187
What issue?
If you're talking about T3 level armor, then you need to subtract BP3 and T4 costs from wehr.
You will NOT go T3 and T4 anymore, you have easier way to go T4, you have a choice.
You're making a storm in the glass of water here.
+1
Also this kind of thing is a bit pointless to discuss as straight numbers don't look at other in game components. US rushing for its final tier has no healing or weapon unlocks (unless you pick defensive commander), OKW get bonuses from specific trucks, Wehr unlock their upgrades along with teching up and medic bunkers don't set back their fuel. Soviets tiers should be in a much better place now.
I'm sure numbers can be tweaked if needs be that's why we have the mod to test before actual release.
14 Jul 2015, 20:18 PM
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Posts: 670
What issue?
If you're talking about T3 level armor, then you need to subtract BP3 and T4 costs from wehr.
You will NOT go T3 and T4 anymore, you have easier way to go T4, you have a choice.
You're making a storm in the glass of water here.
I think OP meant that he believes Wehr tech tree should stay progressive, not selective, and if that was his point, I agree with him
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14 Jul 2015, 20:21 PM
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I don't really think it's okay that Ostheer has to pay 410 fuel for it's first Panther assuming you skip T3 since that's pretty outrageous considering how mediocre the rest of T4 is. 
14 Jul 2015, 20:35 PM
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I think OP meant that he believes Wehr tech tree should stay progressive, not selective, and if that was his point, I agree with him
Well, he is wrong then.
New sov teching is T1 or T2, T3, T4
New ost teching is T1, T2, T3 or T4.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Jul 2015, 20:35 PM
#14
Posts: 600
I think OP meant that he believes Wehr tech tree should stay progressive, not selective, and if that was his point, I agree with him
Thats sorta my point yeah...
Problem is i dont even think these changes make it selective... They kill Ost T4 like it used to be.
Go T3 and have access to P4, stuG and Ost... or wait another 130 fuel for T4? and THEN have to save up 175 for a panther? who in a 1v1 or 2v2 is gonna do that? when they could of had 2 P4's on the field by the time 1 panther arrives.
14 Jul 2015, 20:36 PM
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Well, he is wrong then.
If you played the game, id listen to you, until then you're another clueless forum dweller.
Well, he is wrong then.
New sov teching is T1 or T2, T3, T4
New ost teching is T1, T2, T3 or 130 FUEL GAP T4.
HOW does a 130 fuel difference = T3 or T4? Its T3 to survive the midgame. And T4 is yet again out of reach.
The reason Soviet tech is T1 or T2 is because they start off with 50 fuel so they can get either...
Does Wehrmacht T4 cost the same as T3? No its 130 fuel behind. Use your head... jesus...
14 Jul 2015, 20:40 PM
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Posts: 1891
I don't really think it's okay that Ostheer has to pay 410 fuel for it's first Panther assuming you skip T3 since that's pretty outrageous considering how mediocre the rest of T4 is.
Come September T3 is getting the Nebelwerfer, right? That'll be the nails in the coffin.
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14 Jul 2015, 20:42 PM
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Posts: 670
New ost teching is T1, T2, T3 or T4.
And that's why it's
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14 Jul 2015, 21:02 PM
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Nope, it's okay
And that's why it's
14 Jul 2015, 21:20 PM
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I'll have to see how it plays out. 310 fuel might indeed be too much, but maybe not.
The teching cost of Wehr is high but they also have the best non-doctrinal lategame armor. I have had many teamgame matches where I could just slowly save up panthers which become extremely tough to deal with compared to allied stock units.
The teching cost of Wehr is high but they also have the best non-doctrinal lategame armor. I have had many teamgame matches where I could just slowly save up panthers which become extremely tough to deal with compared to allied stock units.
14 Jul 2015, 21:26 PM
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The whole point of switching BP and structure cost is to give OH the choice to rush either of them.
People have already played in the past T1+T2 into T4, specially on 2v2+.
If you are going to talk about RUSH builds, you need to account for only what is strictly needed to get them. You skip the 75f cost of T3.
IF you want to theoricraft timings, you might as well start adding initial fuel cost, possibility of sidegrades and for the case of OKW the magical .71-.73% fuel convertion.
People have already played in the past T1+T2 into T4, specially on 2v2+.
If you are going to talk about RUSH builds, you need to account for only what is strictly needed to get them. You skip the 75f cost of T3.
IF you want to theoricraft timings, you might as well start adding initial fuel cost, possibility of sidegrades and for the case of OKW the magical .71-.73% fuel convertion.
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