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I think it would be fine if we had STUG in place of Panther actually. That would make Command Panther unique too.
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Put it behind something what blocks sight and wait for blob. I don't see any micro.
I guess you have bad knowledge what micro is.
Take a Sherman and kitting Volks, all the time you need short reverses.
Same for M8.
And while doing this, you need to use your infantry as well.
Or Jackson. Move, shoot, fall back, attak through flank, coordinate it with infantry.
Sturmtiger does not need even half of that micro.
It's the least built unit not because of micro but because of utility.
It won't save you from 3 Shermans but Panther will.
It won't save you from blob cause it's very easy to avoid.
The only time Sturmtiger is useful is when you are playing agasint total newbie or when your enemy is blobbing hard, and you hide Sturmtiger behind something so we wont see and them boom, blob vanished.
But this does not need a micro.
Keeping unit behind and waiting for enemy.
It's like you would say that Jadgtiger needs micro. It just sits and snipes.
OKW unit which needs a micro is for example Puma but nor Sturmtiger.
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I think the distinction should be made, that if you want to be effective with a Jadgtiger or Sturmtiger you need to micro the unit. You sure can sit it somewhere and have it do nothing, but then it's just a waste of fuel.
And the Sturmtiger is for assaulting fortified positions and killing support weapons, not that you would know that...
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I think the distinction should be made, that if you want to be effective with a Jadgtiger or Sturmtiger you need to micro the unit. You sure can sit it somewhere and have it do nothing, but then it's just a waste of fuel.
And the Sturmtiger is for assaulting fortified positions and killing support weapons, not that you would know that...
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I think all those destroyed Shermans and Jacksons are bigger waste of fuel that an unit in a wrong place
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I think the distinction should be made, that if you want to be effective with a Jadgtiger or Sturmtiger you need to micro the unit. You sure can sit it somewhere and have it do nothing, but then it's just a waste of fuel.
And the Sturmtiger is for assaulting fortified positions and killing support weapons, not that you would know that...
If you have ever played on a map with a lot of shot blockers, you would know the Jadgtiger isn't exactly peaches and cream to keep shooting/effective. It's extremely slow speed means that if your getting flanked then you need to be extremely quick on the reaction to moving it.
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If you have ever played on a map with a lot of shot blockers, you would know the Jadgtiger isn't exactly peaches and cream to keep shooting/effective. It's extremely slow speed means that if your getting flanked then you need to be extremely quick on the reaction to moving it.
Please just close this thread already. Most people disagree with CAS being OP and the other people just talk about other random crap.
PLEASE. CLOSE.
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Put Jadgtiger on the island (Steps) and watch it sniping incoming tanks without any micro. Secure sides with mines and the party begins.
I have a friend who is using very nice playstale.
Defensive commander, sandbags, little AT guns etc. he would love to see Strumtiger attacking his positions. I give 15-20sec for ST before it dies.
Stuka is doing everything better if we are talking about support weapons.
fortified positions? It's like allies have bunkers, paks43 or anything fortified...
If you using Strumtiger so often, I would like to see replay with pro Sturmtiger usage but of course not against total noob.
And how excatly you want to move it when your ennemy blocks you? You have to be fast to bring volks/puma or any other AT.
But if Jadgtiger is flanked, then you did something wrong cause no one keeps JT alone.
and by saying map with a lot of shotblockers you mean Ettelbruck, or Angermunde? lol
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I have 30 replays of winning with Sturmtigers, want a specific one?
Nobody keeps JT alone, but Volks aint' going to to shit against some turbo speed medium tanks flying towards your postion.
Then comes the time you get unlucky and infinite crew shock stuns against your Jadgtiger because the RNG god hates you.
And lol on Steppes, yes here is this one map with no shotblockers, which means the Jadgtiger is easy and pudding to use on all other maps which actually do have shotblockers.
The Sturmtiger has 1440 health for a reason, it also has "Sturm" in the name for a reason, it's a bloody "Assault" Tiger. It's supposed to be for breaking AT gun walls and smashing apart enemy concentrations, not following blobs around.
Somebodies never played minsk pocket...
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Medium tanks? Really? JT will kill 1 before they reach it, bounces from front armor all the time, and by the time, JT will be almost dead, 3 Volks will easily snipe 2 mediums.
How exctaly JT crew is going to be shocked if it has 80 range? I also proved that this whole "shock" does not work like "insta not doing anything"
A logn time ago there was a guy here who was arguing with me. I showed him videos where I could rotate on the move my JT while being shocked. He disappeared from that thread in a second.
JT is made for wide open map, right? You dont use it on Stalingrad but you can do it on Minsk Pocket.
Yes, ST supposed to do that. Problem is, most players will avoid ST strike and like I said, Stuka is doing this better. I saw many Stukas with 60-130 kills in 4v4 but not a single Sturmtiger.
When I see Strumtiger Im happy becasue I know my enemy just wasted tons of resources.
Waiting for pro replay with this damn intensive micro.
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Are we arguing about 4's or not? Because you seem to be entirely inconsistent in your frame of reference.
To put this in perspective, you would be challenging me more to offer you a replay of me using the Panther, because Iv built 2 Panthers in 3 months of playing OKW. The only Panthers I normally ever get are command ones, so my Sturmtigers can sight for themselves.
JT's are great, but they do require you to make sure your always targeting the right tanks and whatnot because it's slow ROF means every shot is essential (which is extra fun when the hold fire bugs out and it starts shooting infantry!)
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT SOME ONE PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD
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I think it would be fine if we had STUG in place of Panther actually. That would make Command Panther unique too.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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You dont see ST in 1v1 so I guess we are arguing about 2v2,3v3 and 4v4.
I know how powerful Panther is.
I know how potent ST can be, but I also know that ST is doing nothing most of the time and does not need a micro.
You are saying it needs a micro, so I would love to see replay of yours with ST that needs a micro and is devastating.
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And it would actually be somewhat an excuse for shreckvolks which relic is horrified to touch.
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