Because relic removed nade upgrade and because relic cant think of anything better to replace it with. Its a definition of filler.
Well that feels pretty on brand unfortunately
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17 Oct 2023, 06:29 AM
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Well that feels pretty on brand unfortunately
17 Oct 2023, 16:29 PM
#22
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The recon tractor is stock. Feels like mostly a team game unit
Absolutely. Recon tractor is perfect for team games because it hard counters an MG instantly (pretty much 100% decrew if they don't retreat) every 80 seconds (iirc), and can soft counter another with a seperate cooldown.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
17 Oct 2023, 19:25 PM
#23
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I could be wrong about this being broken. Willing to admit that. Can someone actually expalin why it was needed in the first place tho?
The recon tractor is stock. Feels like mostly a team game unit, but so does this upgrade
I will offer a counter-suggestion. DAK lacks in the recon department (unless you're a
DAK's armoury is all about global improvements to their units and the sight increase is consistent with their ongoing themes.
17 Oct 2023, 19:55 PM
#24
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people with brains, contrary to my usual mocking of USF mains, can dodge the traktor barrage by being awake.
Yes, they can "dodge" it by retreating instantly. In a team game, that's good enough for me. Decrewed, back at base, as long as it isn't set up it might as well not even exist.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
17 Oct 2023, 20:31 PM
#25
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Ppl with brains, contrary to my usual mocking of USF mains, can dodge the traktor barrage by being awake.
Yeah the barrage itself is okay, nothing super special. Its the spotting for other offmaps from yourself or a tm8 that its truly good for
Yeah i would never go for it in a 1v1, but t3 isnt a death sentence in team games
17 Oct 2023, 20:44 PM
#26
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Yes, they can "dodge" it by retreating instantly. In a team game, that's good enough for me. Decrewed, back at base, as long as it isn't set up it might as well not even exist.
A right click would suffice. It's not pre-nerf ASC strafing runs. Plenty of time to escape the barrage zone. Certainly more time than I ever had vs I&R/Recon Support Company
Yeah the barrage itself is okay, nothing super special. Its the spotting for other offmaps from yourself or a tm8 that its truly good for
Yeah i would never go for it in a 1v1, but t3 isnt a death sentence in team games
Tbh I find the battlefield to be rarely so static that the traktor actually is of any use. COH3 is much more fast paced and fluid to have these old grinding battles usually. ISG (so T2+) is just better for most situations and I say that as someone who specialised in siege situations (featuring many many off-maps) in COH2.
17 Oct 2023, 20:52 PM
#27
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A right click would suffice. It's not pre-nerf ASC strafing runs. Plenty of time to escape the barrage zone. Certainly more time than I ever had vs I&R/Recon Support Company
That's a gamble. If you're even a second off with that, you're running a high risk of getting the MG decrewed. At the very least you're dropping models. At the very least, you have to pack up instantly. And that's all that matters when grens are now shooting it in the back.
Yeah the barrage itself is okay
Hell no, the barrage isn't just "okay", it literally hard counters an MG off the map. If that's just "okay" to you, then you're getting it waaay too late. It's strong because that MG is the only thing stopping you from mogging the allied players with your panzergrens. Once it's gone, you walk all over them.
This is 4v4, mind you. In 4v4, you can literally just tech T1, get nothing out of it (get squad size upgrade), tech T2, and bring out the 254. Then after you get a Marder and you've still got it out before the first greyhound.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
17 Oct 2023, 21:22 PM
#28
Posts: 330
Hell no, the barrage isn't just "okay", it literally hard counters an MG off the map. If that's just "okay" to you, then you're getting it waaay too late.
I meant it in a relative way. Its good, but nowehere near as scary as the many other offmaps in all factions' BGs that it can also spot for
I got frag bombed deep behind the lines the other day from a WM player, and he had crazy vision provided by a tm8s 254. That rly sucked lol
17 Oct 2023, 22:22 PM
#29
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I meant it in a relative way. Its good, but nowehere near as scary as the many other offmaps in all factions' BGs that it can also spot for
True true
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?..The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and... the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough...We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
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