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the suggestion about buffing the satchel against tank is really more about finding the justification to increase the penal's price. The penal is just so incredibly effective against infantry, but it's also the only thing they can do.

Exactly.

The only squad that is similar to mod penals are Pfussies, but they already get more tools(further sight, better scaling-dat vet5 permasprint, more utility with nades, at nades and flares).

Penals with flamer will perform pretty much exactly like pfussies with G43, that goes for AI effectiveness and scaling.

Penals will be better vs garrisons and heavy cover, pfussies will be better vs light cover and open shoot-outs(+ their whole utility bag vs satchels).

For these reasons, I don't believe penals will be much of a problem, certainly not bigger problem then pfussies.

Vs penals 222 will be so good that it isn't even funny and even kubel does great here. Penals also don't excel vs suppression.

They'll be strong AI specialist squad, but they are still reliant on other units to cover for their easily exploitable weaknesses. I've played quite a lot on the preview mod already, penals are strong, but light armor and suppression shuts them down easily, going for penals will also mean you'll have more squads then soviet player.

Not sure who this "we" is but a I can't agree. A simple changes like the suppression of the kubel or the crush on SWS trucks had dramatic impact on the game. A large amount of small changes, that are needed, is imo a far better way to go, at this point of the game.

And then, we had changes to penals, cons, shreck accuracy that did a whooping nothing to improve the situation.

Yes there were some good small changes, but there were plenty of them that changed absolutely nothing until complete revamp of the unit came.

Kubel suppression was hardly a small change as it got more tanky and allowed to cap points-that is not a small change, that is a unit revamp.

Your post seem to indicate that the game is currently not balanced and imo it is. The problem thus has to do more with units being underused not that a faction is stronger than another. The current faction design can work in most cases. Trying to redesigning the faction by improving their weakness but not nerfing their strength is imo a steps in the wrong direction.

Take OKW for instance infantry blob will probably continue to dominate their play...

Game is somewhat balanced, but at the expense of multiple units and cancerous stuff we need to deal with.
Improvements in the mod will still keep it somewhat balanced, while expanding on diversity by resurrecting core units and lessening doctrinal dependencies, which is a true meta limiting factor.

And I don't agree on the last sentence.
Soviets are best example.

Maxim got nerfs, penals are getting buff.
SU-85 will be worse vs mediums, but better vs heavies, therefore doctrinal armor reliance is lessened.
T34/76, well, its a piece of shit since the day it lost OP ram, now it'll be an option as well, doctrinal 85 will still be vastly superior, but it won't be the only valid choice any longer.

The improvements the mod brings vastly out weight temporary side effects of implementation-adaptation to changes being biggest one.

Remember how everyone screamed that buffed T0 HMG42 was going to be OP?
It lasted for some time, then people got used to it and hardly anyone calls it this way any longer.

Same thing will happen with other units that got revamp or improvements.

Well consider that they are outclassed at longer ranges by a single allied weapon upgrade. Also having 2 weapons lets them have more DPS by spending marginally more mun. and allows them upgrade more gradually.

But the point of my post was to simply show that PF dont have "everything" like OP assumed.

They are supposed to be outclassed at longer ranges.
They are close to mid range inf with still decent long range dps.
Obviously they won't keep up with LMGs at long range, because they are not lmg squad themselves.

Also, 2 BARs gives you 28 close range DPS and about 10 long range DPS.
PFs G43s give you 30 close range and 6 long range DPS.
Hardly any disparity here considering the cost difference+PFs are getting extra vision on top of it.

And yes, PFs don't have everything, they are amazing inf, my fav axis inf, but they are hardly op, pop cap could be raised to 7 to limit spam, but that is about the only thing I'd change.

I am interested in knowing how well penal compare with sturmpioneer, and who will win out in CQ.

If SPs don't have to close in, whoever snipes more models first will win, but I'd say penals have advantage.

If SPs have to close in over open field, they are losing already to rifles.

On the other hand, Kubel shits hard over penals.

Except their weapon upgrade is outclassed by brens, bars, and 1919s

Since you're talking about dual upgrades here, its 90mun vs 120-140mun.
Not sure what you expected here.

Except their snare has low pen.

Exactly the same as any other snare in game.

Except they have little received accuracy bonuses.

And, next to penals, highest accuracy bonuses.

Pfussiliers right now are what penals are becoming next patch.
When both will be upgraded, they'll be about the same with penals being better vs cover and garrisons and pfussies being better vs light cover, open shoot-outs and will provide more utility(nades, AT nades, flare).