Profile of Dullahan

You didn't have to make up the numbers, they were there and don't support what you were trying to say.

It looks like you used the 4v4 numbers for December 6 so I'll use those. The numbers of games played were: OKW 216, OST 133, SOV 144, USF 94 and UKF 30. That's 349 axis to 268 allied.

I used the 1v1 numbers.


Omg guys look at the UKF ninja buff.

Then it just becomes a circlejerk of playercards.

Back in the day there was this cool little private forum Relic had set up for Dawn of War 2 that was invite only and we all talked about balance issues in our super cool batcave.

80% of threads were people sniping at each others skill level and arguing about whether or not anyone had the right to comment on the topic.
10% were bug reports.
10% was theorycraft battles.

It was a clusterfuck and Relic rightfully abandoned the forum because it was full of elitist twats.


The way to do a balance discussion properly is to disallow simple posts like "+1", to encourage people to post replays and videos of what they're talking about and most importantly: To direct people to the fucking strategy forum. It's telling that this community only cares about bitching rather than trying to work a problem because the activity in the strategy forum is shit.

No one experiments or tries new things, they just play the metagame and whenever they struggle they come running to the balance forum. If I had a nickel everytime I've seen an OKW player build the mechanized command to play for the king tiger and then NEVER USE RESOURCE CONVERSION to try and get it faster I could fucking fund company of heroes 3. There's a severe lack of outside the box thinking in this community or adaptive play. I've seen a few cool plays but most people play very standard build orders with very standard tactics. And then when it doesn't work they come here not to think of what they could do differently but of how Relic must fix it with nerfs/buffs.

Economization is generally terrible (Floating, economic timings, optimizing economy etc), micro is lazy compared to DoW2, people are STILL playing the heavy tank meta etc. There's about a hundred ways even the very top ranked players could improve their game play that are completely independent of balance.

Stuka is the go to option. Just make sure they've exhausted brace before you use it or it will do nothing.

Funny how AEC is worse than su-76 before fix and still there are people here who argue that its fine. Bias is strong with them.

The AEC works because it's a timing unit. I wouldn't mind buffs, but I mostly just use it to harass capping squads, kill stuff like base bunkers/flak emplacements, medic bunkers and of course any sort of light vehicles (222, halftracks, kubel, luchs) Only SU76 didn't have nearly the same timing and came out much later in the game.

I use it pretty regularly in my games, about 50/50 with bofors depending on my strategy.

Uh... wat...?

Are those even coherent sentences? I think I get what you're saying, but wow. That wording though.

Yes, it's actually pretty easy to follow if you're not retarded, asshole.

Sentence 1:
"If 1000 games are played with axis and 500 are played with allies in the top 150 players, that means that axis played 500 games against players who are outside that skill bracket."

1000-500 = 500. pretty easy to understand. I kept it extremely simple and clarified in detail in another post.

Sentence 2:
"Which means that axis will have an inflated win rates because they are playing against weaker skilled players."

500 games are outside the skill bracket and against weaker players. Therefore the win rate is higher, due to more uneven match ups.

The reason I didn't explain it like that was he wanted to know WHY we're disregarding the stats, not for me just to tell him that they should be disregarded.

In 1v1's, the top 150 axis players (OKW + OST) played a total of 240 games. The top allied players (UKF, USF, & SOV) played a total of 252 games, so if number of games was the reason, 1v1 would be skewed in favor of allies. In fact, the numbers are the same across the board.

This "number of games played" reason has about as much validity as the "cool uniform" or "bad guys" theory. There have been times that it did affect the results, but now isn't one of them.

I'm not trying to say OKW is not OP, I'm just saying it's not statistically sound data. As "Myself" has asid, they either need to control for players (Only count games between players who are both in the top 150) or increase the sample size much large than the top 150. (top 500 atleast)