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Ok so latest patch they reduced stug's target size from 20 to 14. This is a 30% decrease in size. Thus, hopefully the su85 will have a harder time hitting the stug while at range. Let's see how this affects the metagame.

Read troglodyte's comments on the thread in the link below if you wanna know more about scatter/target sizes and accuracy. Scatter works in a cone, and the further away the target, the smaller part it fills in the cone. Thus Stug and su85 battles might play out differently than before.

Maybe a vet 2 stug will even beat a vanilla su85? Im definitely gonna try using stugs more, maybe in combination with either panzer tactitian or scopes.

http://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/1jam36/langreskaya_patch_with_patch_notes/

Very good patch. Need to try how the scatter is affecting performance ingame and if the StuG size is noticable.

And please add a fourth man to the PaK 43 in a future patch!

Yeah, pak 43 should have same squad as pak 40.

Also for those interested:

The SU85 had 45mm of sloped frontal armor at 30 degrees from vertical.(same as t34) If you do the trigonometric calcualtion (quite simple) it equates to the equivalent of 51.96 mm. straight/vertical plate armor.

The Stug III Ausf G by comparison had 80mm of frontal armor.

Add to this the fact that the Stug also had the same penetration as the SU-85. "STUG's used 7.5 cm StuK 40 L/48 gun. Firing above mentioned ammunition, longer L/48 could penetrate 96 mm (30 degrees from vertical)." - copied from wikipedia. Thus it could penetrate equivalent max of 110.85 mm straight/vertical plate armor if you do the calculation.(again easy trigonometrics)
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StuG_III

The SU-85 used the d-5t 85mm gun. This gun could penetrate a maximum of 110mm straight/vertical plate armor. see this table: http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/guns.asp

The two vehicles thus had very similiar armor penetrating capabilities and ranges. The stug had a lot more armor though, but they could both penetrate each other(slightly easier to penetrate su-85) and the su-85 certainly didnt have more range than the stug.

It is thus quite ridiculous how much frontal armor the su85 has in the game compared to the stug which is penetrated so easily. I mean sure, they have to balance the game, but the stug is currently laughable compared to the su85, while in real life it was kindof the opposite.

Agree,

panther should get better frontal and slightly better AI, right now PZIV eats everything.

brown Bear is overpriced....needs price reduction

I'd like to see T-34/76 T-34/85 gets a buff while restrict the Ram ability

Tiger & Elefant & ISU-152 price reduction but Elefant & ISU-152 reduce range to about 70~80. right now 100 is ridiculous.

PZIV damge need to reduce from 160-->120,remainning are ok.

Stug can be a spam-able cheap AT which can be a counter to T-70 rush&T-34/76 rush

Ost-wind can be lot cheaper but remove the capabilities of doing decent damage dealt to T-34 TANK, and slightly reduce AI to compensate that price reduction...and reduced armor
(the hexagon open turret has only 10mm armor protection)

thus, stug can be a stop-gap to KV-8 and T-34, and ost-wind works as a soft counter to T-70

I disagree with removal of the cone sight, elefant has combo of cone-sight+spotter scope, it works literally like a map hack

but SU-85 reload time should increase from 4 sec to 5~6 sec.

IS-2 needs a seriously tweak.

Not bad points overall. My comments however:

SU85 reverse speed also needs to be looked at.

I don't think ostwind should be nerfed. They already take very long to kill a t34. If ostwind is hitting the T34 in the ass, its bad micro from russian player.

Panzer IV damage nerf to 120 is way too much. The reason I say this: Panther comes out way later than the SU-85, and you can only get one if you are ahead by a considerable margin. Germans need a panzer IV to counter su85, unless stug range is buffed. Nerfing P4 damage to 120 will make it useless. Maybe nerf it to 150/140, but only if su-85 reverse speed is also nerfed. By the way, what is SU-85 damage currently? (stats page still down)

You compare su85 cone sight to elefant cone sight. Facepalm.
Elefant is waaaayyyy later and more expensive. SU85 cone sight at vet 1 will be a good change. No-one suggested it be taken away. After all, german tank abilities come at vet one.

IS-2 needs a buff yes.

Keep in mind an increase to the PAKs accuracy will not only improve performance vs. tanks but infantry as well.

If you want the T70 to be hit more often, you likely mean to increase its target size.

This says a lot. I think the reason why the pak is missing it such a lot is because it is fast AND small. Thus +- 2x reduced accuracy vs it cos it moves fast and presents a small target. Schreks usually hit it at least, but as stated earlier it takes 3 hits to kill it.

Considering how fast the t70 kills pgrens and its ability to kite them cos its range is longer plus schreks only fire when stationary, a slight range nerf will prolly be warranted. T70 also has somewhat better pathing than larger tanks, so in the hands of a skilled opponent killing it using only schreks is a bitch. Getting two schrek squads at that time in the game will leave you very vulnerable in other areas since schrek squads are less good vs infantry. That is to say if you even have the 240, yes 240 munitions for this, not to mention a lot of manpower.

The problem that now presents itself is if you increase its target size, it will also be more likely to get hit by tanks and everything else. We don't neccesarily want that because that affects its utitlity later in the game also. The crux point is right where it comes out and the other player only has t1 and t2 to deal with it for a couple of minutes. These minutes can often be game ending (or at least game changing).

The pak should be looked at from a much wider perspective as its role is more spread out throughout the duration of the game. I dont think a slight accuracy buff is out of the question, since it doesnt really do much at all vs infantry, will it be too effective vs inf if its accuracy is increased slightly? I don't know, but I don't think so. Also the Zis should perhaps receive same buff to be fair?

Another problem with t70's is that they can chase down and kill infantry that is retreating and you can lose numerous squads if you are not careful. It can even run amock in your base if you dont have schrek squads. Now im not saying it is completely OP, it just needs some small tweaking...

All the proposed nerfs to the T70 are SLIGHT ones. It will definitely still be useful and deadly, it must just be counterable if a german player prepared well for it ie. got a pak.