Profile of CieZ

mixed axis winning on rails and metal is not very surprising.

Doesn't prevent it from being a good game...

I am able to go to http://www.twitch.tv/mithiriath.

Are you unable to load the page? Or when you try and boot up your stream you get the error?

peak time there are online at 1 day not every day

thats can mean steam free weekend or what else

or sale for a few dollar

the player base are never 12000 player i would say nearly 4-5000
read the charts correkt pls. thx

It's really not that complicated...

If the AVERAGE number of players concurrently online the past month is ~4,200, then the community as a whole is clearly way larger than 4-5000 people (as you claim).

In fact the peak number of players over the past month is about double what you claim the entire community is...

wuFF's guess towards the size of the active community is probably pretty accurate.

The numbers aren't impressive if compared to the mega titles like LoL, DoTA, HS, CS:GO but as others have pointed out - the golden age of the RTS is over (unfortunately). Even SC2 is struggling to keep pace with MOBAs today, which attract a similar player-base as RTS. Personally, (as a former DoTA 1 semi-pro back in the day) I don't understand all the MOBA hype, but clearly people love watching/playing them (and who am I to judge what other people enjoy) - and they're obviously pushing the limits with competitive gaming which is really cool to see in action.

There are so many factors as to why the "old guard" doesn't player CoH 2 that is it naive to make claims along the lines of "COH 2 obviously sux b/c vcoh players don't like it." There are countless other competitive titles to spend your time on if your only goal is to become a pro gamer. The guys that played vCoH at the top levels are all like 10 years older now. A lot of them simply don't enjoy the way COH 2 is played (doesn't mean either is better/worse, they're just different). Some of them can't handle being terribad at CoH 2 so they make up excuses for not liking the game...

Still, no one has been able to answer the question... if all these people are constantly talking about how good vCoH is/was, and they all say they want to play it then why is no one playing it? Just makes no sense to come on the forums and cry about a game that you don't even play, rather than play the game you are constantly trying to tell everyone is better than the game they're playing... Yeah. That logic tho... >_<

we should close the thread. CoH2 Fanboys will never see the truth and Coh1 Fanboys will die.

If all of you guys love vCoH so much, and all of you want to play it... why not play it... literally no one is stopping you.

When SSBB came out and part of the smash community liked it, the other part hated it - what did people do? *gasp* the people that played SSBM played SSBM, the people that played SSBB played SSBB. Now they're both highly competitive fighters.

When SC 2 came out what did people that loved SC:BW do? They played SC:BW...

When CSS came out the people that hated it played CS 1.6...

Examples all over the place.

So much talk and so much of people doing nothing for the vCoH community except whining about how bad CoH 2 is. Makes no sense. Go do something for the community you claim to care about so much and the game you claim to love so much instead of shitposting about a game you don't even play.

The thing is, in the case of SC2 and Dota 2, those communities never shrunk. The rate at which they grew is of course going to be related in some way to the rate at which the games themselves grew, but the competitive communities never shrank. CSGO's community, on the other hand, was tiny until Valve took it over and finally fixed some of its major design problems.

CoH2 is taking the CSGO trajectory much more so than the SC2 or Dota 2 trajectories, except Relic hasn't shown any willingness to reconsider problematic core design decisions like Valve did when they took over CSGO. Without Valve's intervention, that game would've died a long time ago.

As for comparisons to CoH1, I feel it's totally fair because failing to retain your most dedicated player base in your sequel is a major failure for a multiplayer game. If CoH2 were at least as compelling competitively as CoH1 was, there is absolutely zero reason that the game could not have at the very least maintained its numbers. But that didn't happen, and now the competitive CoH1 and competitive CoH2 communities are almost entirely segregated in terms of who has played which game at a high level. In SC2, Dota 2, and to a lesser extent CSGO there's a large amount of overlap between the different versions of the games; in CoH2 there's almost zero.

Sc2 and sc:bw only shared a handful of top level players and their respective communities were much like coh1 and coh2's for a long long time, probably still are but I don't keep up with it. Of course dota and dota2 kept the same players, dota2 is 99% a copy/paste of dota1. Coh2 shares very little other than genre with CoH1 theyre totally different games.

Plus the majority of top vCoH players are much older now with a lot more going on in life, it's just natural that they wouldn't play as much or as competitively. I see the discussion a lot about "coh2 just doesn't make me want to spam games as much as I used to" and I'd say that applies to basically any game. I used to be able to play stuff for like 10 or 12 hours a day back in high school and college. I can't do that today even when I'm in love with a game, after a few hours I'm ready for a break no matter how much fun I'm having... It's just life.

Anyways typing on a phone is hard... Hopefully this all made enough sense. I can fix it when I get home if I need to.