From 40.45 - Panther with damaged engine uses Blitz and moves back as fast as F1 car! Yeeeaah! Totally not OP!
From 42.35 - Mother of God! It's a goddamn fast as fuck Panther again! Not OP guys, not OP. It's normal to have a speed of scout car for heavy tank. It's German tank after all.
I'm bitching about Panther because it has no any weak spots like any other vehicle in game (don't count Brits, they're new and need to be balanced). This bastard is strong, fast (even faster than t34), has great armor and can deal with everything. Smoke and blitz make it even stronger. I'll post replay in 2-3 hours.
Why do you compare Stug and Su 76 ? and not Stug with Su 85 ? next time you will compare King tiger and M3 ?
Pz4 (waaaay better than t34) = 60 fuel difference, you can almost have 2 T34-76 for one P4.
Why not pick a T34-85, that for almost the same coast will crush P4 easily and will fight Panther with the help of mark target ?
Why I need DOCTRINAL t34-85 to beat NON-DOCTRINAL Pz4 and Panther? Can you feel the difference? Don't you think that something definitely wrong in this situation?
Pz4 appears on battlefield way earlier than t34-76, lol. T34 is pretty weak against it. It's better build some SU76 or even SU85 to counter Pz4 than shitty T34-76.
Yes, Panther MUST take out tanks but why the hell it has no any weak points? It's impossible to stop Panther without at-nades or mines and it can escape even with damaged engine because its speed and smoke.
>>Yes it's normal for axis because they have to rely on panthers to deal with allies tanks that come in superior numbers.
So against Soviets Axis have HUGE amount of AT-measures like paks (better than zis), schrecks (best hand-held AT-weapon in the whole game), stugs (>su76) and Pz4 (waaaay better than t34). An only thing that can be on pair with this nightmare is IS-2 but it's doctrinal. After this Germans can build Panthers which haven't any analogues in Soviet army. It looks like nail in coffin.
>Why can't my 80 fuel cheap as fuck t34 not be good as a 175 fuel panther?
Seriously? Moreover panther doesn't wipe squads out of nowhere, the pintle lmg decreases health of squads so you can always retreat without ever facing a wipe.
>Why is the enemy not letting me destroy his panther with my IS2, why does he escape!
Seriously?
Why can't be my mortar as lethal as the enemy one?
Because 4 vs 6 men squads. Moreover soviet mortar has more accuracy. Flare is in my opinion a better ability that precision strike and a true combined arms ability, just in the spirit of coh.
T34 isn't only cheap as fuck, it's also shitty as fuck. Even 2 T34 (160 fuel) won't take even half of Panther's HP. I just pointed that Panther can fight against everything and Soviets don't have any counterpart.
So you think it's normal for Axis to have non-doctrinal unit with speed of light vehicle, armor of heavy vehicle, at-gun of TD and MG which is ok against infantry? Smoke makes this fucker invincible.
And about mortars. You said what? Soviet mortar has more accuracy than GrW? You mean barrage I suppose. Germans never use barrage, GrW's autofire kills everything. With vet1 and counter-fire German mortars become even more deadly.
Panther cant win a 1v1 duel against an IS2 ( but can leave the fight ), a snared tank is a dead tank, try to At nade him, or use mines ( you will float munitions with soviets )
And panther is not a "real" heavy, lets say is more like a "good armored" medium tank hunter, Panther was classified as heavy for allies, but medium for axis
With M3 you have 2 options:
- Engage at distance, M3 going back kite gren easily
- Engage Solo gren ( or even better, Assgren, Pio's, MG, Mortar, Sniper, non upgraded pgrens) with M3 flamer, cause 2 faust will "one shot you", when a Solo gren will just die against M3 Flamer, 1 faust will not be enough to kill M3
Why do you call it medium? It's closer to heavies not to mediums. Anyway I'd prefer Panther to IS2 - the closest Soviet non-doctrinal analogue is T34-76 (ha-ha), shittiest medium tank in the game. Lone Panther will be destroyed by combine mines/at-nades and IS-2 for sure if Axis player is stupid enough not to use blitz and smoke. But it never acts on its own. Blobs and packs usually support it. So destroying this piece of junk becomes even more harder. I think, Panther definitely needs nerf - armor and/or speed.
- "But not allies" and you say Churchill to contradict yourself in the same sentence, cause fuck logic
- If you cant beat Panther with IS2, its not the game fault
- Again, Panther is shit against infantry
- Why you rushed a M3 into multiple faust range ? a M3 flamer will always beat a solo gren, always
Allies are USF, Brits and Soviets. Only Brits have non-doctrinal heavy tank. Axis are Wehr and OKW, both have heavy non-doctrinal tank so I definitely can say that EVERY Axis faction has non-doctrinal heavy tank but not EVERY Allied faction. Where is fuck logic?
IS-2 is supposed to be good against heavies including Panther but fucking Blitz with smoke screen help Panther to escape without any punishment. It's really hard to kill Panther with IS-2 in 1on1 fight. As I said it either kills you or just escapes.
Maybe I'm not good with clown car, ok but I can't manage to survive when I'm moving backwards with M3.
- Comparing panther pintle MG with T34 gun that can kill multiple entities ?
- I remember times where M3 was toxic cause snipers could go inside ... and M3 flamers is just stupid ( i am not a fan of cpt Molo gameplay )
- You can have Soviet T4 way before Wher can have T4, you can have multiples T34-76, even T34-85 before a single panther hit the field
- Post a replay where a panther ruined your life, maybe we can help you to find out that the panther is not 100% in cause here
Now m3 is ok thanks to nerfed reverse speed. Soviet T4 =/= Wehr T4. And maybe it's my luck but t34 can reliably kill infantry only crushing them not shooting. I'll post replay with F1-Panther after 5-6 hours.
...Ummm, you confused it maybe with the... churchill?
Ok, Churchill is a good example but you see - every German faction has non-doctrinal heavy tank but not Allies. And yeah, I can't beat fucking Panther with my IS-2 - it usually either kills me or just escapes with blitz and smoke.
I got the feeling that you're talking about the OKW Panther, which can kill infantry quite good. Ostheer panther is just a piece of crap against infantry.
Well, maybe you're right, really I can't say for sure.
It is like we are not playing the same game . How can you compare a panther and a Tigre/IS2? Dont know for you, but for me the pintle MG just allow the PV to have a little bit of AI power in thoses man vs machine engagenents. Nothing to compare with the squadwhipe provided by the heavy's.
Man, I compared AI abilities of T34-76 which is supposed to be good against infantry and Panther which is supposed to be good against armor only. But this 'animal' is good literally against anything and doesn't suffer from low speed like Tiger and IS-2.
That's utter bullshit. The game engine doesn't allow for different forward and reverse speeds. The M3 is just as fast backwards as it is forward, like all other vehicles in the game.
I can't escape from grens with my m3 backspeed - it's too slow. Maybe it's my bad luck again and I'm wrong, ok. What about acceleration time? Is it takes longer to reach maximum speed when you're moving backwards?
- With Wher mortar nerf, sov mortar will be in a better place, he is more accurate than wher one, and ( at least against wher ) attacking 4 entity squads, and wher is attacking 6 entity squads
- Are you really comparing Tiger anti infantry and panther ? Panther is shitty against infantry, for real, even with MG
- Back speed = speed going forward, and its the same for all tanks, its lelic fault
- Do you know the tech price and the price for a panther itself ?
Dude, Panther kills infantry better than T34-76 thanks to MG upgrade which doesn't miss as T34 gun. Remember times when M3 was a real threat for all infantry because its speed was equal back speed? It nerfed today and you won't escape from grenadier's faust when moving backwards. I think Panther needs the same.
And about tech price - Soviets cannot build IS-1 in Soviet T4! I'm ready to pay 600 mp and 180 fuel for it but for some reason only Germans can have non-doctrinal heavy tanks like Panther and KT.