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I'll also just poke my head in and say that Snipers can really work against US forces particularly on maps like Crossing the Woods where getting to them is a nightmare and flanking options can be limited.

You really have to lean into your ally though so that he can support you.

Either way I would never skip Grenadiers. It's only a matter of time before US players start getting Mechanized Company which get get a Jeep unit out at like ~40 seconds into the game. It's basically an M3A1 so any build where you skill Grens will bite you in the ass against that sort of tactic.

I'm wondering what people are doing for the mixed Axis v. double US matchup. As the Wehr player, getting grenadiers seems superfluous, so I am trying multiple MGs, snipers, and mortars, plus pios with flamers for the early game. It lacks pushing power, but grens don't seem to cut it against the inevitable riflemen horde. I'm not familiar enough yet with OKW to begin to thinking about how to integrate the two factions well.

What have you guys been doing that has worked?

Also: complaining about how this-or-that is UP/OP is for the balance forums. This is the strat forum, where we all come together to get better with the tools available to us.

I think it's foolhardy to write of the Grenadier even in 2v2 circumstances. There are some maps where you can easily rely on your ally (Rails and Metal perhaps) but your fighting force still needs to be somewhat self-sufficient in most games.

My personal build against US as Wehrmacht:

• Grenadier
  
• Grenadier
  
• MG-42
  
• Grenadier
  
• MG-42
  

The US is capable of putting out some really annoying light armor early game so you need Grenadiers to threaten a Panzerfaust or good opponents can sort of just run over you. MG-42s can threaten this light armor with the Incendiary AP rounds with some excellent micro but it's pretty tough actually.

The LMG42 upgrade and a couple levels of veterancy will make your Grenadiers actually fight very well against Riflemen. You will never be able to fight blob vs blob but that's what your MG-42 is there for. Screen it with infantry and you'll be fine.

There's a strong argument to be made for rushing up to Tier 2 against US forces if you see a Lieutenant. Skip the second MG-42 and use a scout car to control Riflemen blobs. The up-gunned 222 Scout Car can fight the M20 Utility Car very well. The Rifleman's AT grenade doesn't seek like the Conscript's AT grenade. If you keep moving then the enemy attack will almost always miss unless you're at close range or you're moving tangentially to the attack. This means the 222 Scout Car can really easily protect your flanks from Riflemen. The biggest threat from Lieutenant tech is the M15 AA Halftrack. This unit will destroy a 222 Scout Car quickly. It's total Pak40 bait though and the 222 Scout Car can finish off a weakened one (just never approach a M15 AA halftrack when it is stationary cause it's 37mm cannon will be active and rip you to shreds.)

US forces have really bad/expensive artillery units so Pak40s are extremely annoying for them until the M8A1 (which still has nearly as much range as the Pak40 so you can actually turn the tables on it pretty easily).

Here is me working with a build that I am hoping to publish later today.

It is an OKW build that centers around Luftwaffe Ground Forces and defensive tactics.

Things I could have done better:

• A really tough and long match that could have swung either way mutliple times
  
• My first Panther was largely wasted. I was overconfident with it and lost track of the it's position.
  
• The enemy utilized Conscript spam early game so I skipped my Infantry Support Gun. I think this was a good move but I needed the Infantry Support Gun later to deal with the enemy mortars.
  
• Against such heavy infantry tactics I tried to convert fuel into munitions to spam Airborne Assault so I could defeat his blob with a decisive strafing run. In the end this was a massive mistake though as the real threat was never the infantry but the mortars and the tanks. I would have been better served to just not convert anything and have a more well rounded force. I needed a Walking Stuka earlier to crush his crew spam.
  
  

All in all an extremely tense match.

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I'll upload replays of the strategy in action as I come upon good ones.

EDIT: Here's a match from 6/28/2014. ESL WFA Tournament:

http://www.coh2.org/replay/19340/esl-in-before-the-blitz-example


I'll try to keep this updated!

I suspect that they already have something cooking to fix this but man.

This really needs to change.