JP4 is very fine, don't forget predator cloak too!. Stug is sad to be honest. |
I think it is fine...
I love the way it plays but I hate to play against it. |
Yeah it is pretty useless. |
Because quitting and waiting for X time won't fix being bad, which is clear case here.
Easier to play doesn't mean stronger.
Otherwise ost would be uncontested #1 faction.
Ost easier to play? |
I can agree with you, but if you let me add a little detail. M36 are very good and useful TD, versatile to say the least, able to dominate the tank territory (unless they get outnumbered, of course).
If they were to be so good that risking some of the midgame is worth to get a jackson in time or that it is so useful it can turn tides in lategame because axis tank are bein pray instead of predator, then we have a usf metagame that centers about the jackson instead of a usf starving of AT tools.
Its perfectly fine for tides to turn, but the only and best tool to get that done is for the USF, the jacksons. There is a before and after a jackson field the game, not to mention when 2 of them are present.
In other words, USF is not lacking of AT tools, its that jacksons are so worth they force most of the sensible players to rush and get one ASAP. I've seen lots of complaints of USF players of the grenade and racks sidetech, only because they slow the jackson timing.
On the other side, As long as axis superheavys have to be countered by other tanks and TD (and not other game mechanics), jacksons are a necesary evil. But an evil unit aswell. Sadly there is no simple solution for this, there has been countless threads about jacksons. But this might get things right for once, i hope. Maybe if M36 can find itself a good spot between the other allied TD we can call it a day.
As i said earlier, USF mechanic is to have unit upgrades and lots of muni price tags, to enable them to adapt and punch hard at the same time. Most units are cost effective to allow high risk plays to be often executed and force trades that will mostly corner axis.
Hm I can't agree with that. I think the fundamental problem lies in the other options of USF not cutting it. The Jackson is good, don't get me wrong. But it isn't the monster you make it out to be. If the other factors are not addressed, then the Jackson will need to have the same performance but with an increased price. |
This clearly shows that M36 are to be nerfed. If a unit relies so much on a single *not OP* heavy TD then what the rest of the faction for? The last time i saw M10s was when i fielded them and it was quite a while ago.
Now, in a more neutral tone. A faction can have a single tool to deal with tanks/inf/indirect fire. But it shouldnt only depend on it. Thats why there are call-ins, commanders and multiple variations using skills and upgrades. That way the only OP thing is the good player and not the units he commands.
If M36 had to pay for a single, mutually exclusive upgrade. One being better motor and the other being upgunned to almost HVAP levels. That coupled with a moderate nerf (not those triple ban hammer). IMO can be a good start.
No what needs to be looked at is the other aspects of USF and how to optimize this so that they don't need to solely crutch on the Jackson when facing anything above a medium. When this is done, you can obviously change the Jackson. I thought that was clear, but it seems not. As someone else mentioned, a price increase would be the safest option if the other aspects of USF remain the same. Performance nerfs will mean serious trouble for USF. |
No. Nerf this unit and see USF tumble into nothingness again. |
Yeah and then buy more online commanders for 15 euro a piece and you have to print them and glue them on cardboard yourself! No thanks! |
A Croc/Firefly combo costs about 1080 MP 385 FU.
Two Panthers costs 980 MP 370 FU.
You forget cheap and efficient Brit teching vs Expensive unefficient Ost teching. Good luck skipping t3 as Ost, you'll die. |
Throw two Panthers at it: they cost less then Croc+Firefly. Kill the Firefly first.
Overpowered is a completely subjective term.
Without objective criteria to define something as overpowered, it is subjective.
Saying that all those things on your list were overpowered is also subjective. Widely agreed, but subjective nonetheless.
That's what Katitof was saying. You can't expect people to treat your opinions as facts.
2 panthers as ostheer? Lol |