Profile of GrenadierIT19

Okay I can see where you are coming from. I would argue that their doctrines would be primarily ambush, and the issue they have to cope with us a complete lack of elite infantry.

The italian army didn't lack elite troops, just as an example the italian army developed many commandos units (i used to commando to give the idea of that kind of units), paratroopers and specialized units.

What Italy lacked in WW2 was:
- leadership: you can field the best technologies you have but if your leaders are idiots, you can easily know what will happen, just for example Barbarossa, the german tanks weren't superior to the soviet tanks, but the way they fought gave them many victories and reaching Moscow
- resources: with few resources in a modern war you'll not last long
- war production: with few resources your war production will not be sufficient to support an army

But these 3 problems aren't real problems in CoH2:
- leadership: you or the AI are the leaders
- resources: your resources are only manpower, ammo and fuel, and you find them in the map
- war production: you call for units in the buildings

Problems I perceive with an Italian faction -

- Not of much military relevance to WWII after 1943 and CoH2 is set in about 1944-45.
- Not enough non-experimental military technology to compete with other factions. The Italians only produced one real medium tank for instance and according to Wikipedia it was only actually used by the Germans.

Going to do a bit of a plug here, I actually spent a fair bit of time working on a third Axis faction concept a while back and ended up arriving at a joint Italian-German faction based on the Luftwaffe Herman Goering division that fought in Italy. You can take a look at it here.

Who said that CoH2 is set in 1944-1945?
I understand that USF, OKW and UKF might be set in 1944-1945 but the only units in the armies (i mean stock units) that have been produced after 1943 are: Ostwind, Jackson, Comet, King Tiger and Jagdpanzer IV.
For an italian army there's no need of experimental units, and the non-experimental units are enough.
The P26/40 was used by the Italian Army, because of its production started when Italy surrendererd, Germans captured many tanks and kept producing it, that's why it was mostly used by germans.
I have seen your army idea and it's good but i prefer a different army from something german again even if some units aren't german.

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Funny how you say the Serbians are viable as a faction, when all they had were Chetniks during the war. You know... guerilla warfare and shit.

All support for the Italians coming to the game as end-game content

Italians could be really something good and new for this game! But i hope this won't stop Relic, it would be awesome to see also a faction like Commonwealth Nations (Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India, etc.) i think that UKF are only british, but there are also its colonies and commonwealth nations that fought the war, it could have british tanks like the Archer, Bishop, Matilda, Humber, Crusader and Grant!
And to really become a 4vs4, another axis faction in my opinion could be Japan (but i think wouldn't happen) or a mixed faction of Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Croatia and Finland, using as much as they can field like the hungarian Turan and Zrinyi (i hope it's the correct spelling), and maybe using german vehicles to fill the gaps.

Also special commanders for americans like Free French Forces and French Resistance, while British could have Free Polish Forces and Italian partisans.
Also new commanders for OKW like one based on the italian social republic and another one about Osttruppen (actually osttruppen fought primarily on the western front).

These are just ideas, something that in my opinion could be added to this game and make it even more enjoyable.

I would argue that the italians would just be ostruppen plus german equipment. I'm not arguing that the italians didn't contribute to the war, I'm saying they might be redundant.

Ok, this is a post that has a meaning, not #pastaspamming.

Of course the italian army wasn't as powerful as the wehrmacht, and the italians will not become an army similar to the Ostheer & OKW, i think that it could work more or less as a mix between soviets and USF, in my italian army idea it has cheap basic infantry, some elite troops, AT guns, a 45mm mortar, a tankette, 2 light tanks, 1 medium tank, 2 SPGs and 1 AA-AT gun. And there are also commanders.
These units were common in 1943 and many other in previous years. I tried to make an italian army set in 1943.
I hope you changed your idea about italian army = osttruppen army, but doesn't matter if hadn't change your opinion, at least to let you know that it's not just an army of riflemen, 47mm AT guns, M15s and L3/33 tankettes.

East Africa Campaign (1940-1941):

British troops removing a fascist insigna in Somalia, Kismayo


South African troops after the italian withdrawn in Moyale, Kenya 1941


Italian artillery at Kassala


Italian invasion of Somaliland in 1940


Ethiopians armed with stolen italian weapons, hearing that Haile Selassie will come back to Addis Ababa


Italians repairing an Autoblindo 41


Haile Selassie and Brigadier Daniel Sandford (left) and Colonel Wingate (right) in the Dambacha Fort, April 1941


Fort Hobok captured by South Africans, February 1941


Eritrean campaign


Mega Fort prior to the South African attack


The battle of Keren


The italian ship "Ramb I" sunk


Kenyan soldiers parading in Mogadishu


Italian M11/39 tanks captued after the battle of Agordat, January 1941


A Vickers Wellesy bombing the italian positions, Keren


British radio operatior, Keren


Italian POW, Keren


The Amba Alagi


Ethiopian painting of the battle of Gondar


Italian poster "We'll come back!", after Gondar's capitulation about 7.000 italian soldiers still in East Africa started a Guerrilla Warfare from November 1941 to October 1943, those who fought also in October 1943 didn't know of armistice, some of them were able to reach Italy, for example Amedeo Guillet
(behind the soldier, there's the ghost of Amedeo d'Aosta, the italian governor of the italian east africa, he surrendered on the Amba Alagi, he died in 1942 because of Malaria and Tuberculosis during his captivity)

The Battle of Caporetto (also known as the 12th battle of the Isonzo river) October 24th - November 12th 1917


German soldiers advancing through Isonzo's valley floor


Otto von Below, german general, chief of the 14th army


Luigi Cadorna, italian chief of staff


German and Austro-Hungarian operations


German soldiers and Italian POWs


German soldiers passing through the Maistrocca pass


Italian prisoners in Cividale


Italian POWs in Udine, Piazza Libertà


Italian soldiers digging new trenches on the Piave river


German and Austro-Hungarian soldiers taking a break in Santa Lucia d'Isonzo


German supply column in Santa Lucia d'Isonzo


Italian guns captured by the germans and the austro-hungarian troops


British reinforcements in Padova

North African Campaign (1940 - 1943):

German motorized troops in Tobruch, June 1942


British prisoners in Torbuch and Rommel, June 1942


Rommel and Bayerlein in Tobruch


Italian M13 light tanks moving to Egypt


British line during the 1st Battle of El Alamein (July 1942)


British soldiers advancing under enemy fire


Italian AT rifle position



Afrkia Korps advancing


Vickers position


SAS troops


British troops advancing during the Battle of Alam Halfa (August - September 1942)


Italian paratroopers during the battle of Alam Halfa


Italian M13/40 light tanks during the battle of Alam Halfa






British soldiers during the 2nd Battle of El Alamein


Sherman tanks