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Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2015, 00:16 AMCookiezNcreem

HMM commash..
im all for a slight t3476 veterancy buff +cost buffso it can actually duke it out with panzer 4s once vetted
But let's be real

Callins themselves will never go anywhere, they will always have a late game if you so choose.
The the T3485,KV1,Is2,ISU, ETC will STILL BE IN THE GAME duking it out with German steel in the late game

EXCEPT HOPEFULLY You won't be able to simply spam these good tonks and stay at t0>t2. That's what everyone hates

You'll simply have to tech to the callinz and make your late game better.
Just like Prosteer will hopefully have to do with their big cats, hopefully


Now this doesn't solve the issue of doctrines like reserve army not having a call in tank and therefore no late game worth a crap,because like you and others are saying the best tank the soviets have outside of "meta" doctrines is the t3476 and the only way to allow it to scale is going t3 t4 which is impossible CURRENTLY
the only real solution outside buffing the t34 to unreal levels

Is If they made a certain up gunned medium tank stock for all doctrines, and left other callinz to their specific doctrines....

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2015, 14:37 PMcomm_ash

OK then, here you go:

The current Soviet tech tree is based on choices. For lategame, soviet players who tech have a choice between T3 and T4. T4 offers units that complement a more defensive playstyle, and it does this well, by giving soviet players access to SU85s and Katyushas. T3, on the other hand, is supposed to be used for a more mobile and offensive lategame. So far the tiers seem to be alright, right? The problem is that the T34/76 doesn't scale well into lategame. It is alright when it first enters the battlefield, and can hold its own vs. other medium tanks well enough.

However, both German factions have access to tanks with high frontal armor in their tech tree (KT and Panther) which do well vs. enemy armor. This allows German players to rely on their stock units lategame, because their stock units can deal with anything the allies throw at them. If a soviet player went T3 and the game progresses into lategame, they will struggle, because they are relying on a single medium tank for their entire lategame armor composition.

On the other hand, USF, which is the only other faction that is expected to rely on mediums in the lategame (I am considering a panther a heavy for obvious reasons), has access to a Tank Destroyer in the same tier that houses their medium. The result is a well balanced force that, while fragile, has the capability to deal with many different threats with good micro and tactics.

The T34/76 on the other hand, as Soviet T3s entire lategame potential, must rely on itself to combat enemy Super Heavy TDs and Lategame armor. There is no other armor synergy, and with the T34/76 itself not being particularly great at the AI role, thanks to its lack of pintle mg and its low ROF, soviet AT guns become quite exposed vs. Axis high DPS long range infantry units. Not only this, but Axis tanks generally benefit more in terms of survivability with vet. The P4 for example, gets over 230 armor at vet 2, while the T34 gains 0 penetration with veterancy. This leads to a frustrating game where Axis armor becomes harder to kill, while T34s die at the same rate, making vetting T34s very hard for less reward.

In conclusion, the shoddy scaling of Soviet T3 is why Soviet players use callins almost exclusively currently. They are the only way for Soviets to have any scaling armor whatsoever, and are better out of the gate than stock armor anyhow. T4 is fine, but is very defensive, which leads to an inability to kill German armor. This makes Soviet T4 a battle to hold onto every bit of land, as counterattacks lategame are very hard without good armor to support shoddily scaling conscripts.

Now then, please tell me why I am wrong.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2015, 11:09 AMTea Maker Machine

Such a powerful thong-destroyer shouldn't be so cheap. PopCap abuse is another issue which the dev don't know how to fix lol.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jun 2015, 08:54 AMAlexzandvar

Iv been wrong before, and yeah I did fanboy for a while when I first started posting but generally lately Iv tried to really tone things down a lot due to switching to more competitive game modes like 2v2.

With that said; calm down.

EDIT: Like seriously TAB may be making it fashionable to stalk me (Impersonating me on teamspeaks and harassing my friends) and harass me but that shit ain't cool.