Profile of Nailirie

I agree that something had to be done about ISU/JT, but I'm not sure this is a good approach. Was the problem the ease of use, or the sheer power they possess? I think the latter, but its just my opinion.

Whoever thinks ISU and Jagd are overnerfed was greatly taking advantage of these abuse machines before. L2 micro.

I do think JT was hit harder than ISU with the change. The abuse-potential is still there, and many people had used them with hold fire (before that was changed) anyway, so the squad wipes will still be there. ISUs will probably be less popular but I don't think they will be much less frustrating than before.

Thank you all for replies! Lots of content to think on and to help me not get stuck with the same thing over and over again. I haven't really met this kind of play for a while, mostly because it seems I'm only fighting OKW these days. I'd like to think my harrassing skills have gone up a notch which probably plays a role in not letting them set up the turtling.

Before I didn't really have all that much munitions for the AT nades - I had spent them on getting DPs and using button ability. I've pretty much scrapped using DPs at all now though, I feel that button is only useful in situations where you have a presence strong enough that you don't actually even need it.

Well, if you have a German defensive turtle play and you cannot end the game before they get mega armour out let's look at the ways to break it up.

The method with mortars you described is something I've adapted to usage now. Especially against OKW forward HQs that are supported by the Schwerer Panzer HQ (T4 AA truck). Last game I went for Shock Rifle Frontline (The one with Shocks, KV-8, IS-2) so while I didn't have access to 120mm variants, the 82mm still did a good job. It was mostly bombarding the Schwerer Panzer HQ, forcing him to have one set of Sturmpios repairing it. Gained vet 3 in no time and did a neat precision strike on the Sturmpios.

As van Voort predicted, he did rush out a Pz II to wipe the mortar. I did lose the mortar but I feel he just threw the Luchs away, since I had cons and T34s near the mortar.

I would recommend not getting T4

I've come to same conclusion, now I'm relying on mortars and off-map to provide the indirect fire needed.

I just recently after 170 hours of custom and co-op games started doing automatched games.

I've found myself constantly losing to the same Ostheer play (making me wish I saved replays) - a slow, extremely defensive play into Pz IV(s) into Tiger. And usually I've had most of the capture points and 2-1 or even 3-0 VP's till the Panzers roll out.

The best I managed to do against this so far was having a pair of T-34 85s with one SU-85. I could beat the enemy to fall back (the Tiger took quite a beating with Mark Vehicle), but finishing them off seems extremely risky. I'll admit the opponents were good at preserving their vehicles, especially with the smoke. I did try chasing a hurt Tiger with the T-34s; what I found was the PaK and PG's supporting from the rear. Once the Pz IV's reach Vet 2 the Zis guns seem to lose their bite, and the 85's get less reliable too.

During this struggle I usually bled quite a bunch of mp on reinforcing my guards and scripts, who were trying to tip the armored battle in my favor with AT nades and button ability. Having to focus on fending off the panzer forces I start losing grip on other sections of the battlefield, eventually losing ground and forces. Once I do get the Tiger down, I've lost map control, have no resources and a scattered army. Having invested in T34-85s and SU-85 I find myself unable to recapture the lost areas due to PGs and Paks warding off the vehicles and LMG grens guarding them from my infantry.

Tl;dr: How to fend off the inevitable Pz4 + Tiger push, or am I to end the game before that happens?

I'll post a replay if I fail against this again. Hope not.