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Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.5 Update15 Jan 2017, 11:44 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2017, 03:04 AMFrost Just rush T2, get a lot of pgrens, hannomag with flamers or 222's or stosstrupen with STGs. Mid distance is your friend and key to victory pgrens sure are cost effective /s In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.5 Update14 Jan 2017, 16:35 PM why does penals have to be one man army units just to motivate people to go T1? Just switch penal with maxims if its really all because to have a reason to go T1. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.5 Update14 Jan 2017, 15:51 PM flamer and ppsh on penal squads... Question: How is werhmacht ever gonna stand a chance on urban maps against that? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.4 Update11 Jan 2017, 16:18 PM can't belive the amount of soviet fanboys who constantly shits on wehrmacht and says its just by design meanwhile soviets apparently need all sorts of reworks to get around their weaknesses. Relic its time you step in and say enough is enough. "Do you play WBP with t1 + t2 into t-70 ?" See this is the kind of shit that makes me vomit, you don't go T1 for early game pressure into T3 for mid game pressure unless that T1 investment really paid off... thats whats called bad design when every game and tech choice boils down to applying more pressure. In coh1 the M8 was a risky early pressure investment that needed to give you more territory or else you were actually behind because your opponent has his first tank that much quicker because he didnt invest his fuel in light vehicles. Thats risk vs reward. wanna give PRTS to penals? Fine but then they shouldnt be any more combat effective than conscripts either. And remove that flamer ASAP In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.4 Update11 Jan 2017, 11:55 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Jan 2017, 11:27 AMAustralian Magic Emmmmm...What utility? Snare? Grenade? Making bunkers? LMG Grens wins at long range with Penals and it's getting in Penals' favour when the distance is getting smaller and smaller. I don't expect LMG Grens to win vs Penals at close/mid range - do you? And my main question still stands. It's 1.4 and I wonder how many other light AT options were tried in WBP. upgradable anti tank rifles? AT satchel, molotov, satchel charge, flame thrower. I think minelaying ability is the only tool thats missing for a true ubermensch squad. Also grenadiers barely wins at long range, it could go either way.. they get totally wrecked at medium and close range also flamethrower makes sure they can never use garrisons or heavy cover. Also penals have good moving accuracy so they are good assault troops, grenadiers lose ALL their dps if they so much as move an inch. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.4 Update11 Jan 2017, 10:34 AM Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2017, 20:32 PMAustralian Magic Well, I'd expect 300MP squad to win vs Grens or Volks with similar veterancy. Tho after upgrade, battle should be in favour of Grens (which in fact is the case). Idk how it is with Volks with upgrade casue my connection forbids me watching right now woow nice balance! The 300MP argument doesn't say much since grenadier also have a 60 muni weapon upgrade which evens it out... NOT only that but penals have insanely more utility than grenadiers, penals are like from a 80's action movie. finally grenadiers are 4 man meaning lategame you will lose the vet3 squad to a mortar hit + quick tank followup shot. Frustrating stuff a 6 man squad don't have to deal with. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.4 Update10 Jan 2017, 17:51 PM when is werhmacht becoming strategic diverse? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.4 Update10 Jan 2017, 17:48 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jan 2017, 15:06 PMMirdarion Then you and Oversloth have been talking about entirely different things, because the post he was referencing was mine - except that the accusation no longer really holds true, because the "You're too stupid to use PzGrens"-part was removed from your answer by now. Who cares how different they are, if they do the same job better? Assault Grens are so unbelievably weak that even Pioneers are a better assault unit. As I described above, getting a second Pioneer squad and using the two together results in a far more effective flanking and assault team than a single Assault Gren squad could ever hope to be. That indicates that something is either wrong with Pioneer performance, Assault Gren performance, or even both. That is what I described above, to which none of your points react - I am essentially talking to a wall here! Assault Grens don't work, and now the StuG E doesn't work either (although I am quite happy about the latter), which essentially means that you ruined a previously working doctrine. That would even be fine by me, because the doctrine was boring to begin with, but it stinks to high heaven if you call that a rework. Call it what it is then: an attempt to make this boring doctrine go away forever. what? stug e fucking murders now In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.4 Update10 Jan 2017, 09:24 AM PTRS rifles on penals isnt even the problem its that you added back the flamer.. what good to the game does the flamer do to a 5-6 man squad? It forces you not to use garrisons or cover so.. yeah thats "fun"? Maybe for the guy who has 5 flamer squads its fun but not for the axis player. Not only flamer but you add pphs to the squad also making it close range terminator sqads. If you ever get caught with an mg in a house it will get wiped due to the pphs when it exits the house. Mass flamer on mainline infantry has already been tried and removed on other factions... we all know the results and it doesnt work. How about working on units that actually sucks instead of wasting 4 months on buffing the already OP unit? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.4 Update9 Jan 2017, 23:43 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2017, 10:47 AMMr.Smith We can't make assgrens super good because that will affext a powerhouse doctrine and only that doctrine. It's also the fact that they rush out at 0cp. Regardless, judgong from your comment I fail to see how the changes don't improve assgrens scaling. Lower mp cost and sprint allow you to close in ehile bleeding less. Thr goal of assgrens is not to take lategame closerange allied infantry head on. It is to flank tean weapons and dispose of them. Finally assgrens already cost only 5 popcap, which is the lowwst in the game for any infantry squad. if the doctrine is the problem then put assgrens in T4 so we can finally tech towards other things than just tanks or more powerful tanks. That would be an elegant solution to leviate a long standing problem, how late game is just about who has more tanks. In: COH2 Gameplay