Let's Talk: Sd.Kfz. 222
2 Aug 2016, 16:12 PM
#62
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Give 221 to T1 ost and 222 to T2 ost.
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2 Aug 2016, 16:59 PM
#63
Posts: 708 | Subs: 1
It's not OP.
But something what i don't want this car to do is wiping retreating squads.
It don't cost 340 manpower and don't leaves you without at gun to be that good.
But something what i don't want this car to do is wiping retreating squads.
It don't cost 340 manpower and don't leaves you without at gun to be that good.
2 Aug 2016, 17:05 PM
#64
Posts: 4314 | Subs: 7
Give 221 to T1 ost and 222 to T2 ost.
But have can brits and usa fight it ?
2 Aug 2016, 17:21 PM
#65
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But have can brits and usa fight it ?
The same way soviets who don't open with 5 cons, no tech, AT nades.
They just drop on the ground and roll in tears while pressing concede button.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
2 Aug 2016, 17:22 PM
#66
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It's Sonderkraftfahrzeug, so it's not Sdfksz but SdKfz
2 Aug 2016, 17:37 PM
#68
Posts: 367
The 222 with scope and vet 2 map hack need to be changed to.
2 Aug 2016, 18:13 PM
#69
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Balance must always be considered in a holistic perspective. Looking at individual units is meaningless at best, actually detrimental to balance at worst.
No matter how many times I kept saying that, no one cared
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BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
2 Aug 2016, 18:22 PM
#70
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But my point is there's still an MG with the 2cm as well. Pretty sure it was the exact same gun. The 221 -> 222 upgrade was always an AV upgrade with no cost opportunity aside from munitions - the 2cm can't really hit infantry, but the MG is intact and vehicle maintains the same effectiveness versus infantry.
But I think I figured what you meant on sidestepping the bug thing, but that would depend on whether the old 221's MG's stats are distinct from the 222's, which I certainly couldn't say if it was. The MG definitely fires out of the turret of both vehicles, though.
The bug is with the coaxial MG.
The upgrade removes the pintle MG, replaces it with the 2cm, and adds a coaxial MG, which is bugged.
The pintle MG gunner rotates and is pretty good. He doesn't really exist anymore without modding because of the auto-upgrade to 2cm.
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2 Aug 2016, 21:48 PM
#72
Posts: 37
I think that the 222 should also have better penetration, to be a threat to the frontal armor of the allied light vehicles, and the price should be increased to 45-55 fuel.
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2 Aug 2016, 22:41 PM
#73
Posts: 2561
Give 221 to T1 ost and 222 to T2 ost.Allies aren't equiped to deal with early lights vehicles though. They mostly don't get AT til they tech up, which would be a huge problem. Unlike ost with early snares and okw with early At guns. Brits especially would get fucked real hard.
2 Aug 2016, 23:24 PM
#74
Posts: 1617
Remove the upgrade from 222s - turn them into 221s (same hp and cost, not upgradable only a mg-34)
And add this beast.
And add this beast.
3 Aug 2016, 00:58 AM
#75
Posts: 207
On topic: The 222 could definitely use a fuel increase because its probably the most cost effective unit in the game but it cant be affected to much because Ostheer already has a terrible early game (also speaking of axis light vehicles the OKW flak halftrack could use a fuel reduction and a faster set up so that OKW t1 is good again)
3 Aug 2016, 04:50 AM
#76
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Updated topic.
3 Aug 2016, 04:59 AM
#77
Posts: 500
Allies aren't equiped to deal with early lights vehicles though. They mostly don't get AT til they tech up, which would be a huge problem. Unlike ost with early snares and okw with early At guns. Brits especially would get fucked real hard.
Well I have to agree with the Brits here, but not when it comes to Sov and USF.
3 Aug 2016, 05:51 AM
#78
Posts: 609
And add this beast.
I would kill to see that and a kubel-esque MG ugrade for the doctrinal 250s
3 Aug 2016, 15:41 PM
#79
Posts: 88 | Subs: 1
I don't understand all this 'allies have to tech up to get AT' talk. OH has to tech up to get the 222 and AT - so why not the allies too?
3 Aug 2016, 16:44 PM
#80
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I don't understand all this 'allies have to tech up to get AT' talk. OH has to tech up to get the 222 and AT - so why not the allies too?
Oh yea, the teching struggle OKW for example needs to go through to get that puppchen.
Moreover, AT for allies is pretty much always side tech or optional tech, while for axis its ready from the get go or arrives very early with linear, unskippable tech.
For this very reason allies have light vehicles in low tech and axis does not-allies are NOT designed to be able to counter them early effectively, while axis can pretty much from the first encounter with both, soft and hard AT.
That is why 222 or 221 can never be below ost T2.
And last but not least, but yet again-222 IS overpowered when you compare its cost to what it does.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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