All factions should have access to non-doc vehicles smoke
16 Apr 2016, 05:40 AM
#1
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Permanently BannedIt is a significant feature, which basically takes away the competitive factor from this game. Being able to save your vehicles with zero risk whatsoever. One wonders why the SU has no such ability, not even in their docs. OST can get it through their docs at least.
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ostheer
16 Apr 2016, 06:25 AM
#2
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You forgot Puma and flak halftrack smoke.
16 Apr 2016, 06:43 AM
#3
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Yeah, but vehicles that have it generally needs it.
Churchill can far smoke to cover infantry that follows after it.
Comet/ Cromwell smoke shell is much harder to use than Panzer Tactician. Comet rank 1 WP smoke is actually a pretty nice Anti personnel shell.
Flak Halftrack and Puma use smoke to survive because it is squishy.
Pz tactician is a doctrinal bonus. Picking it means abandoning other things.
At least that is what I think :/
Churchill can far smoke to cover infantry that follows after it.
Comet/ Cromwell smoke shell is much harder to use than Panzer Tactician. Comet rank 1 WP smoke is actually a pretty nice Anti personnel shell.
Flak Halftrack and Puma use smoke to survive because it is squishy.
Pz tactician is a doctrinal bonus. Picking it means abandoning other things.
At least that is what I think :/
16 Apr 2016, 06:51 AM
#4
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Well, you forget that most allied tanks out range their counterparts, also, the su85 is self spotting
Also, they have self healing. Doc and non doc (whatever army you choose)
Vehicle decrew, shit like that
Also, they have self healing. Doc and non doc (whatever army you choose)
Vehicle decrew, shit like that
16 Apr 2016, 07:40 AM
#5
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And Axis has invisibility, blitz, armour veterency, TWP, and loads of other abilities. It's like this game is asymmetrically balanced or something, weird right?
Pudding.
16 Apr 2016, 07:47 AM
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Well, you forget that most allied tanks out range their counterparts, also, the su85 is self spotting
Also, they have self healing. Doc and non doc (whatever army you choose)
Vehicle decrew, shit like that
And which tanks excatly outrange axis counterparts?
Becasue Stug, Elephant and Command Panther or vetted JPIV can't selfspot...
OKW has free repairs but smoke to survive > reparis.
16 Apr 2016, 07:57 AM
#7
Posts: 273
Well, you forget that most allied tanks out range their counterparts, also, the su85 is self spotting
Also, they have self healing. Doc and non doc (whatever army you choose)
Vehicle decrew, shit like that
PUMA, Tiger Ace is also self spotting and they have smoke ability.
16 Apr 2016, 08:03 AM
#8
Posts: 571
PUMA, Tiger Ace is also self spotting and they have smoke ability.
Yeah, but Puma is an armored car made of wet tissue. (Compared to tanks at least)
Tiger Ace is 1 off, with MP penalties and all.
16 Apr 2016, 08:49 AM
#9
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All factions should be clones of each other with different models, here we go again.
16 Apr 2016, 09:02 AM
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OKW has a lot of smoke. Ost doesnt have non-doc vehicle smoke, but once they get it they get it on every single vehicle. Sovs doesnt have vehicle smoke but they make up for it in other unit stats so its a non-issue.
16 Apr 2016, 09:19 AM
#11
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OKW has a lot of smoke. Ost doesnt have non-doc vehicle smoke, but once they get it they get it on every single vehicle. Sovs doesnt have vehicle smoke but they make up for it in other unit stats so its a non-issue.
What stats do you mean? On T34-76 for example.
16 Apr 2016, 09:57 AM
#12
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OKW has a lot of smoke. Ost doesnt have non-doc vehicle smoke, but once they get it they get it on every single vehicle. Sovs doesnt have vehicle smoke but they make up for it in other unit stats so its a non-issue.
You mean like superior armor, superior guns, superior blitz ability or secure mode?
16 Apr 2016, 10:25 AM
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16 Apr 2016, 10:37 AM
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You mean like superior armor, superior guns, superior blitz ability or secure mode?
What stats do you mean? On T34-76 for example.
I mean usability of the faction as a whole. Soviets never had any vehicle smoke, but they have always been most picked faction in tournaments (in most recent ones its slightly different due to the fact we have only 2 axis factions). And in all tournaments since the dawn of coh2 soviets always had over 50% win rate. In my own experience they were the faction I always had best rank with, when I used to play more. So even if you see some problems in soviet faction, its not due to the lack of smoke.
16 Apr 2016, 11:00 AM
#15
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I don't like smoke at all on vehicles. Yes I play Axis mostly and I know how practical Ostheer smoke is, but it's just stupid.
IMO all smoke should be like the Sherman smoke.
IMO all smoke should be like the Sherman smoke.
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
16 Apr 2016, 11:21 AM
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why do you answer to his posts?
16 Apr 2016, 11:45 AM
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16 Apr 2016, 12:21 PM
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Yes, I think that since every single little difference between factions could cause imbalance, all factions should be exactly the same right down to the smallest details. Balance problems solved!
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16 Apr 2016, 12:24 PM
#20
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Permanently BannedThat's not about asymmetric balance or faction differences. That is just unnecessary micro for the guys who miss this heavenly feature.
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