Why not have KV-1 tier 4 (instead of the suggested T-34/85)? And T-34/76 to be tier 3?
KV-1 served in the Sovjet army between 1940-1945.
Should T-34-85 be non doctrinal?
23 Nov 2015, 09:58 AM
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23 Nov 2015, 10:05 AM
#42
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Yes. Brits, USF and okw all start at t1 then go t2, t3, t4. OST and SOVs start at t0, and the reward for getting to t4 isn't worth it when it comes to the t34-76. Make it a global upgrade of around 200mp 30-50 fu, so if you've skipped a tier to rush to it you still have some delay there.
23 Nov 2015, 10:06 AM
#43
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Why not have KV-1 tier 4 (instead of the suggested T-34/85)? And T-34/76 to be tier 3?
KV-1 served in the Sovjet army between 1940-1945.
I would rather make existing unit in the tech tree usable before adding more units in.
Penals and t34 76 are the last two weak link in the soviet tech tree and both units just need to be stronger.
US flame rifleman have already shown how powerful the combo can be.
Buffing the t34 76 would have the same end result as moving the t34 85 into the tech tree.
23 Nov 2015, 10:11 AM
#44
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I would rather make existing unit in the tech tree usable before adding more units in.
Penals and t34 76 are the last two weak link in the soviet tech tree and both units just need to be stronger.
US flame rifleman have already shown how powerful the combo can be.
Buffing the t34 76 would have the same end result as moving the t34 85 into the tech tree.
I agree that buffing the T-34/76 would have the same result as moving the T-34/85 into the tech tree, which I don't favor. Therefore I think if they make T-34/76 tier 3 and make it cheap, then people would use that tank more often. But I think KV-1 in tier 4 would be nice.
23 Nov 2015, 10:13 AM
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I think it is historically correct to give the Sovjets the KV-1.
I read from The Illustrated Directory of Tanks of the World from World War 1 to the Present Day: "At the outbreak of World War II, the Russian Army was practically the only armed force in the world to be equipped with production heavy tanks. The first of these, the KV-1 (Klim Voroshilov) was designed by a group of engineers at the Kirov Factory in Leningrad, under the direction of Kh. Kotin."
I read from The Illustrated Directory of Tanks of the World from World War 1 to the Present Day: "At the outbreak of World War II, the Russian Army was practically the only armed force in the world to be equipped with production heavy tanks. The first of these, the KV-1 (Klim Voroshilov) was designed by a group of engineers at the Kirov Factory in Leningrad, under the direction of Kh. Kotin."
23 Nov 2015, 10:17 AM
#46
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I would rather make existing unit in the tech tree usable before adding more units in.
Penals and t34 76 are the last two weak link in the soviet tech tree and both units just need to be stronger.
US flame rifleman have already shown how powerful the combo can be.
Buffing the t34 76 would have the same end result as moving the t34 85 into the tech tree.
Buffing T34/76 is pointless. It should be shit and cheap tank. T34/85 is the better one, so there is no point of buffing 76 is thefe is 85.
Point is, for all it shitnest, it comes too late, when there are already tons of AT options on the field.
What's more, you dont tech to T4 for T34/76. You do it for Katy or SU85.
T34/85 would fit perfectly into T4.
Late-game medium tank, not bad TD and powerful arty.
T34/76 should remain crap, cheap and spamable.
We dont need it stronger (you have strogner options like M4C, T34/85 or KV) we need it cheap and shit but locking it behind T4 is a misunderstanding.
23 Nov 2015, 10:25 AM
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T34/76 should remain crap, cheap and spamable.
This is the historical definition of T-34/76.
23 Nov 2015, 10:29 AM
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This is the historical definition of T-34/76.
And it should remain like that.
There are many tanks which outperform T34 so we dont need it to be better (just use those better tanks if you want it better).
23 Nov 2015, 10:51 AM
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Why not have KV-1 tier 4 (instead of the suggested T-34/85)? And T-34/76 to be tier 3?
KV-1 served in the Sovjet army between 1940-1945.
KV-1 was used until 1943, later KV-1S and KV-85 until 1944. (A small amount of the KV-1S and KV-85 continued to be used in 1945). not a doctrine t-34-85 sounds better, KV-1 bad it needs some love.
23 Nov 2015, 10:58 AM
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KV-1 was used until 1943, later KV-1S and KV-85 until 1944. (A small amount of the KV-1S and KV-85 continued to be used in 1945). not a doctrine t-34-85 sounds better, KV-1 bad it needs some love.
The Finns destroyed some of these KV-1 in the summer 1944.
KV-1 is bad and it can be so. Therefore it could be placed in tier 4 without problems for the balance of the game, and for historical reasons. KV-1 should be the big and not so good heavy tank, which absorbs damage. The Sovjets have better tanks.
23 Nov 2015, 11:57 AM
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The Finns destroyed some of these KV-1 in the summer 1944.
KV-1 is bad and it can be so. Therefore it could be placed in tier 4 without problems for the balance of the game, and for historical reasons. KV-1 should be the big and not so good heavy tank, which absorbs damage. The Sovjets have better tanks.
Finnish front was positional, so there remains a lot of pre-war / early stuff: PPD-40, early KV, BT tanks and more
23 Nov 2015, 12:26 PM
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Finnish front was positional, so there remains a lot of pre-war / early stuff: PPD-40, early KV, BT tanks and more
That maybe in Winter War 1939-1940, but the summer 1944 was very different. Read about it here. In the summer 1944 the Sovjets used T-34/85s, KV-1s, IS-2s and ISU-152s. That is the best they got.
23 Nov 2015, 13:10 PM
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That maybe in Winter War 1939-1940, but the summer 1944 was very different. Read about it here. In the summer 1944 the Sovjets used T-34/85s, KV-1s, IS-2s and ISU-152s. That is the best they got.
Soviet armored car BA-10 on the street Vyborg 1944. Years of production 1938-1941.
Finnish soldiers inspect a burned-out Soviet tank T-40 in the area of Lemine 1944. Years of production 1990-1941. By the middle of 1942 have virtually disappeared from the front part of the Red Army.
Soviet tank T-34 (Model 1941) to march through the streets of liberated city of Vyborg 1944
Soviet tank KV-1 "Suvorov" support the infantry attack. Leningrad front, Karelian isthmus, June 1944
Submachine-guardsmen go on the offensive for the KV-1S. Karelian Isthmus. 1944
Anti-aircraft gunners of the Baltic Fleet protect troops from attacks by enemy aircraft "Place: Leningrad front. The calculation of the automatic anti-aircraft gun 72-K sample 1940 caliber 25 mm, mounted on a truck GAZ-AA. Vyborg District. Summer 1944. (It was produced at the beginning of the war)
at the Finnish front was a lot of pre-war / early stuff
23 Nov 2015, 13:32 PM
#54
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Imo
IS-2, Pershing, Tiger should be non doctrinal since they are all limited to 1.
More units, more fun.
IS-2, Pershing, Tiger should be non doctrinal since they are all limited to 1.
More units, more fun.
23 Nov 2015, 13:35 PM
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Its a good idea, but i think lelic never do it. Just because its lelic.
23 Nov 2015, 13:40 PM
#56
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Imo
IS-2, Pershing, Tiger should be non doctrinal since they are all limited to 1.
More units, more fun.
No, not really.
Hint: MoW:AS2.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Nov 2015, 14:00 PM
#57
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at the Finnish front was a lot of pre-war / early stuff
Yes, I think the Sovjets used all the equipment they got. Both the old and the best ones.
This is also an argument for that Relic should not make T-34/76 upgradable to T-34/85, because the Russians didn't upgrade but instead build new tanks.
23 Nov 2015, 15:15 PM
#58
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Jackson is very good late-game vehicle
If you can allow to make one mistake with that tank. Also pathing
23 Nov 2015, 15:47 PM
#59
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Consider how Relic is revamping, relocating units, redesign, in short, pure all the love into OKW, I do think Soviet needs some love.
aye for T-34/85 as non-doctrinal for 1000 years......... it deserves to be non-doctrinal tank, consider how iconic the T-34/85 during ww2
T-34/76 as double/single emergency call-in
aye for T-34/85 as non-doctrinal for 1000 years......... it deserves to be non-doctrinal tank, consider how iconic the T-34/85 during ww2
T-34/76 as double/single emergency call-in
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
23 Nov 2015, 15:57 PM
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non-doctrinal T34/85 or KV-1 ?!!! if you say it
i say:
oh pls relic Tiger should be non-doctrinal for tier 4
i say:
oh pls relic Tiger should be non-doctrinal for tier 4
sorry if my eng is not very good
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