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Should Abilities from the Lend-Lease Commander be changed?
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Total votes: 69
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4 Nov 2015, 14:25 PM
#1
avatar of Francis

Posts: 61

Does Lend-Lease look not so lend lease to anyone else?

I'd say replace the Dhsk with the .50cal Browning (and adjust price accordingly);

Replace conscript repair with Radio Intercept or Spy Network (to symbolize Allied Intel Intercept being provided to the Soviet Union)

Replace the weapons on the Assault Half-Track with either 4xPPSH-41s or 4xSVT 40s and 2xBazookas (Which the Soviets received as early as 1942 from the Americans)

Any questions?
4 Nov 2015, 14:28 PM
#2
avatar of TheSleep3r

Posts: 670

.50cal? To leave Dshk in one commander, the community one?
4 Nov 2015, 14:31 PM
#3
avatar of Kreatiir

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Extremely good poll.
4 Nov 2015, 14:55 PM
#4
avatar of GoodnessMe

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I would love to see the this implemented! Solid!
4 Nov 2015, 14:56 PM
#5
avatar of Katitof

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I love the guards idea.

Shocks are better then them, ppsh cons are better then them(though only at vet3).
4 Nov 2015, 15:13 PM
#6
avatar of TAKTCOM

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Replace conscript repair with Radio Intercept or Spy Network

Spy Network no work without partyzans. Repair kit norm, Lend Lease has received a lot of tools too.
The rest part is good.
.50cal? To leave Dshk in one commander, the community one?

Who cares.
4 Nov 2015, 15:22 PM
#7
avatar of Katitof

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Spy Network no work without partyzans. Repair kit norm, Lend Lease has received a lot of tools too.
The rest part is good.

Who cares.


Spy network isn't in any way connected to partisans except for text description.

However I'd love to see the intel provided by partyzans you mentioned.
4 Nov 2015, 15:46 PM
#8
avatar of _GarbageMan_

Posts: 83

But the 50 MG troop models clump up so close together they get one shotted by rifle grenades for USF anyways. Fix that first I say.
4 Nov 2015, 15:54 PM
#9
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I edited the poll :)
4 Nov 2015, 16:11 PM
#10
avatar of Francis

Posts: 61

I edited the poll :)


Spoil sport :snfPeter:
4 Nov 2015, 16:27 PM
#11
avatar of WingZero

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I would keep the Cons repair for Sherman spam. Overall, I like the idea!
4 Nov 2015, 17:15 PM
#12
avatar of Switzerland
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Posts: 545

Conscript repair is very useful in the current commander.

What isn't useful is the fuel plane flying over the axis Base. They need to change the fuel run badly, by the time it unlocks Schwere is usually up and even without that AA base defences are still bringing down the plane. If Luftwaffe supply is "vulnerable" with a Schwere HQ since OKW addition in 2v2 and up, then the lend lease fuel is suicide. You can prepare a defence with Luftwaffe supply run, you are entirely screwed after 1 supply run (if that) with lend lease, unless it's Wher only.
4 Nov 2015, 17:28 PM
#13
avatar of TAKTCOM

Posts: 275 | Subs: 1


Spy network isn't in any way connected to partisans except for text description.
However I'd love to see the intel provided by partyzans you mentioned.

I use mod with custom commanders aka High Command 1.3. This no working if you don't have patryzans in commander abilities. Just eat ammo but no work.
4 Nov 2015, 17:44 PM
#14
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Conscript repair is very useful in the current commander.

What isn't useful is the fuel plane flying over the axis Base. They need to change the fuel run badly, by the time it unlocks Schwere is usually up and even without that AA base defences are still bringing down the plane. If Luftwaffe supply is "vulnerable" with a Schwere HQ since OKW addition in 2v2 and up, then the lend lease fuel is suicide. You can prepare a defence with Luftwaffe supply run, you are entirely screwed after 1 supply run (if that) with lend lease, unless it's Wher only.



In some maps you can evade the base flak AA´s by calling the fuel drop to the edge of your HQ Area, and the plane should have a chance of flying through the map
4 Nov 2015, 17:55 PM
#15
avatar of Switzerland
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Posts: 545

ATCF, negative, that trick doesn't work even on city 17 now, even Steppes. The base flak has even been solo downing the plane. Fact is it was a pre OKW ability and needs to change. Pretty bill that the Luftwaffe supply can now be done in extreme safety of a Schwere and the lend lease fuel drop "might" be able to sneak by. Needs a rework like many pre Ardennes commanders.
4 Nov 2015, 18:48 PM
#16
avatar of Katitof

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I use mod with custom commanders aka High Command 1.3. This no working if you don't have patryzans in commander abilities. Just eat ammo but no work.


Wait.. what?

That is NOT the ability that is within partisan doctrine.

The one there is called Spy Network and it have nothing to do with partysans and increasing their detection radius in any way.

You're using a mod commander there that have nothing to do with how things are.
4 Nov 2015, 22:50 PM
#17
avatar of van Voort
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I still like my version I suggested in the dim and distant past:

http://www.coh2.org/topic/12396/new-doctrine-lend-lease

Soviet Doctrine - Lend Lease

Lend Lease rarely provided weapons that the Soviets considering superior to their own, however it did provide it at a time when the Red Army was trying to rebuild after the loses of 1941 and the factories evacuated to the east were still re-starting. Other deliveries, such as trucks, signals equipment, high octane petrol and the ubiquitous tins of spam filled needs that the Soviet Economy could not.

1 CP Radio Intercept

2 CP Gold Braid

4 CP Matilda II

6 CP Lee

10 CP P-39 Airacobra

Radio Intercept - Soviet electronics were neither sophisticated nor availible in quantity. Lend lease supplied radios, field telephones and miles and miles of signal wire. Of course, signals equipment can also be used to help you listen to the enemy.

Gold Braid - The Bolsheviks distrusted officers as a class, and even the word was once forbidden. However Stalin realised that he could not win a war with commissars, and considerable effort was put into reviving the confidence, training and professionalism of the Officer Corps. Uniforms were an important part of that, hence Gold braid was listed as a vital war import.

Effect:

As elite troop training, but with a cooldown and limited to Vet 1 only

Matilda II

This was a big scary tank in 1940, and had a similar effect on the Germans and Italians then to that the T-34 and KV-1 would have on the Germans in 1941 and the Tiger and King Tiger would later have on the allies. By 1942 though, it was starting to show its age, especially as how it could not be upgunned beyond its 40mm gun with no HE capacity.

This is hard unit to price, both in manpower/fuel and CP.

It's like a slower KV, giving it great armour and durability, but its gun is only useful for AT work making it worse than a T-70 for attacking soft targets

M3 Lee

Both Americans and British wanted a tank with a 75mm gun, but a design that would fit one in a fully rotating turret was not yet availible. According the M3, somewhat like a wedding cake, mounted a 75mm in a side sponson, a fully rotating turret with a 37mm above it and a machine gun in a cupola on top. The Soviet tankers did not regard it with affection, and referred to it as "the coffin for 6 brothers".

An AI tank, with a unique weapons combination and layout that should provide some interesting tactical options and micro

P-39 Airacobra

While not an especially successful weapon for the Western Allies, the Red Air Force appreciated the P-39s ruggedness and potent armament whilst it's poor high altitude performance was largely irrelevent to their needs.

A P-39 will patrol for the duration and attack German aircraft, if none appear it will make one strafing one and then depart.
5 Nov 2015, 05:39 AM
#18
avatar of Tobis
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B-but I love the DSHKA, and this is the only useful commander that has it.
5 Nov 2015, 11:11 AM
#19
avatar of TAKTCOM

Posts: 275 | Subs: 1

Does Lend-Lease look not so lend lease to anyone else?
Any questions?

I and my teammate talk about this few weaks ago. I mean - about assault guard, what they are poor bastards.
And my teammate said:
- let them come with SVT and tommygun or zooks grade!
And i sayd:
- Awesome idea! Player may take tommpsons (3 will be fine, i think) and have assault squad. Or take 2 bazooks and have support squad. And if they have some skill like this

and this
5 Nov 2015, 15:06 PM
#20
avatar of EugeneTheDestroyer

Posts: 43

not just lend lease, 75% of the commanders could use a tuning
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