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Ostheer Equality

30 Oct 2015, 08:21 AM
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I don't recall if the Ostheer has an equal unit to the rangers or commanders?
30 Oct 2015, 08:25 AM
#2
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I don't recall USF having equal unit to Ele or sniper.

Factions aren't mirrors.
30 Oct 2015, 08:27 AM
#3
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Panzergrenadiere :foreveralone:

People will tell you that Ostheer is designed around being strong with combined arms. Yet all factions are strong or stronger when you used combined arms.

I honestly feel that Ostheer is designed with the focus of your opponent making mistakes.
30 Oct 2015, 08:31 AM
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I don't recall soviet have any non-doc durable tank, or even a LMG upgrade for basic troops
30 Oct 2015, 08:33 AM
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Ostheer has never really been about elite infantry.

They have elite support weapons and vehicles though.



30 Oct 2015, 08:36 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2015, 08:31 AMUGBEAR
I don't recall soviet have any non-doc durable tank, or even a LMG upgrade for basic troops

Dp28 upgrade for conscripts that acts like Bar upgrade from coh1 sounds great to me.
30 Oct 2015, 09:03 AM
#7
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Panzergrenadiere :foreveralone:

People will tell you that Ostheer is designed around being strong with combined arms. Yet all factions are strong or stronger when you used combined arms.

I honestly feel that Ostheer is designed with the focus of your opponent making mistakes.



Panzergrenadiers are definitely not equal to rangers or commandos
30 Oct 2015, 09:03 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2015, 09:03 AMiceman



Panzergrenadiers are definitely not equal to rangers or commandos

They shouldn't be equal to rangers.
30 Oct 2015, 09:17 AM
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They shouldn't be equal to rangers.


due to balance or historical reasons?
30 Oct 2015, 09:19 AM
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due to balance or historical reasons?

Cost reasons. 340 mp vs 400 mp 90 munitions. As much as I'd like to believe SS panzergrens with stg44s could compete with rangers. Due to cost they need to be worse.
30 Oct 2015, 09:31 AM
#11
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Cost reasons. 340 mp vs 400 mp 90 munitions. As much as I'd like to believe SS panzergrens with stg44s could compete with rangers. Due to cost they need to be worse.


I'd pay 450-500mp and 90 muni for an elite unit for OST.

Simply for the ease of use that comes with having a unit that doesn't need cover.

Or at least give the zielgerät 1229 the cover negation back.
30 Oct 2015, 19:17 PM
#12
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Panzergrenadiere :foreveralone:

People will tell you that Ostheer is designed around being strong with combined arms. Yet all factions are strong or stronger when you used combined arms.

I honestly feel that Ostheer is designed with the focus of your opponent making mistakes.


This maybe true.
1 Nov 2015, 00:19 AM
#13
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I feel like theres no room for error when you're playing as ostheer. You basically have to keep your grens alive till they hit vet3 otherwise the rifles or iss will just steam roll all your support troops.
1 Nov 2015, 01:11 AM
#14
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Problem in most cases is that allied infantry in general for all factions can just blob run up with no cover and rape everything.

Ostheer infantry can do it too, but are less durable. Especially during the mid game. Once late game comes and Ostheer has vet 3 Infantry, well they all do perform quite well.
1 Nov 2015, 03:44 AM
#15
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Problem in most cases is that allied infantry in general for all factions can just blob run up with no cover and rape everything.

Ostheer infantry can do it too, but are less durable. Especially during the mid game. Once late game comes and Ostheer has vet 3 Infantry, well they all do perform quite well.


Getting to vet 3 is the trouble, allies vet much faster.

I disagree though, at V3 vs V3, allies will win every time in equal numbers.(grenades/cover not being taken into consideration here)
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