Anyone worried new USF commander will make others obsolete?
23 Oct 2015, 09:21 AM
#21
Posts: 680
It will be as with Shock rifle with soviets, if you go anything else its because of how bored you are with that commander. Imo commanders should be a strategical choice, relic has failed in that department.
23 Oct 2015, 09:29 AM
#22
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It will be as with Shock rifle with soviets, if you go anything else its because of how bored you are with that commander. Imo commanders should be a strategical choice, relic has failed in that department.
The commander doesn't have spammable armor or good off-map.
2-3 ATGs, 2 MGs and some basic inf and the commander is hardcountered.
It will be used purely because of hype, if you struggle vs comet, you'll struggle vs pershing, if you know your shit vs comet, pershing will be only a resource dump.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Oct 2015, 09:33 AM
#23
Posts: 473
Permanently BannedAnd here I am loving OKW Elite Armor, Soviet Counterattack Tactics and USF Airborne company. Why can't you people appreciate these wonders?!
It boggles the mind!
It boggles the mind!
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
23 Oct 2015, 09:34 AM
#24
Posts: 473
Permanently Banned
It will be used purely because of hype, if you struggle vs comet, you'll struggle vs pershing, if you know your shit vs comet, pershing will be only a resource dump.
The man is hated, yet he strikes with facts time and time again!
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
23 Oct 2015, 10:00 AM
#25
Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2
This doctrine in fact has nothing to overshine other commanders.
It has pros anc cons, like all of them.
Good medium/heavy tank and rangers but on the other hand infantry has LMGs, Off map and on map arty, Rifle has E8 and flamers, armor is always good with demos and M10 spam, Airborne give you Paras with thompsons as well + P47.
It has pros anc cons, like all of them.
Good medium/heavy tank and rangers but on the other hand infantry has LMGs, Off map and on map arty, Rifle has E8 and flamers, armor is always good with demos and M10 spam, Airborne give you Paras with thompsons as well + P47.
23 Oct 2015, 10:38 AM
#26
Posts: 521
Rangers don't seem all that good, just Riflemen with some more armor. They can upgrade to get 4 Thompsons, and have 3 weapon slots, but the only ability they have is to throw a grenade.
23 Oct 2015, 11:00 AM
#27
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Rangers don't seem all that good, just Riflemen with some more armor. They can upgrade to get 4 Thompsons, and have 3 weapon slots, but the only ability they have is to throw a grenade.
TBH rangers are basically thompson paras who cost more. Slightly less dps for slightly more durability.
Both have nade, but thompson paras have much more(on field reinforcement by beacons, ability, less attrition, air support).
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Oct 2015, 11:00 AM
#28
Posts: 403
As long as usf doesn't have calliope, infantry commander will be always viable.
My place in the ladder is irrelevant as long as I am matched with opponents of the same rank and play all factions (balance at place 1000+ is no different from balance in top 100 if we consider what I said before the brakets) so I don't care about your assertion which is also irrelevant.
23 Oct 2015, 11:42 AM
#29
4 Posts: 474
Rangers cost too much to be of any use. 400 MP for a squad that basically has airborne stats but are worse in almost every imaginable way? No thanks.
Maybe if they had something more than grenades I'd take them but with their current standing no.
Pershing is good though. Don't really care if it's not the damage sponge I needed it to be. As long as it can tank a few hits for jacksons to throw in shots without dying it's good in my book.
Plus, combined arms looks like the most useful ability in that commander. Will have to see how much of a buff that extra range, accuracy, and reload rate is ingame.
Maybe if they had something more than grenades I'd take them but with their current standing no.
Pershing is good though. Don't really care if it's not the damage sponge I needed it to be. As long as it can tank a few hits for jacksons to throw in shots without dying it's good in my book.
Plus, combined arms looks like the most useful ability in that commander. Will have to see how much of a buff that extra range, accuracy, and reload rate is ingame.
23 Oct 2015, 11:45 AM
#30
Posts: 254
They put themselves in a dilemma situation by including both the Rangers and the Pershing in one Commander. Make them both useful and you could end up with a slightly overpowered doctrine.
Therefore I doubt the stats and properties we already know will change much for the better. Splitting them up into two Commanders would have allowed for a Pershing with some kind of Tiger status and Rangers with Shockrifle properties.
Therefore I doubt the stats and properties we already know will change much for the better. Splitting them up into two Commanders would have allowed for a Pershing with some kind of Tiger status and Rangers with Shockrifle properties.
23 Oct 2015, 12:03 PM
#31
Posts: 295 | Subs: 1
I think allies can finally play with overpriced inf with overpriced upgrade, which not even close to be cost effective.
Hi Obersoldaten.
Hi Obersoldaten.
23 Oct 2015, 12:05 PM
#32
Posts: 271
I think allies can finally play with overpriced inf with overpriced upgrade, which not even close to be cost effective.
Hi Obersoldaten.
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23 Oct 2015, 12:40 PM
#33
Posts: 17887 | Subs: 8
I think allies can finally play with overpriced inf with overpriced upgrade, which not even close to be cost effective.
Hi Obersoldaten.
Good thing that obersoldaten are doctrinal unit that overlaps with another doctrinal unit that have more utility and can be replaced by stock main line infantry anyway.
Oh wait! Someone decided to completely ignore these things, because 'selective facts' based argument is best and most valid argument
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Oct 2015, 12:51 PM
#34
Posts: 3600 | Subs: 1
You have to imagine playing Rangers + smoke ability.
=> You smoke the area + you rush the area with your 4 Thompsons squad to bast anything in range.
=> You smoke the area + you rush the area with your 4 Thompsons squad to bast anything in range.
23 Oct 2015, 12:56 PM
#35
Posts: 170
whatever, I'm just gonna continue using the more durable and powerful and cheaper commandos
23 Oct 2015, 12:58 PM
#36
Posts: 295 | Subs: 1
Good thing that obersoldaten are doctrinal unit that overlaps with another doctrinal unit that have more utility and can be replaced by stock main line infantry anyway.
Oh wait! Someone decided to completely ignore these things, because 'selective facts' based argument is best and most valid argument
Since when "doctrinal" means "best and the most powerful"? Or probably you have to pay for obersoldaten more because their cost "include fact that they are non-doc unit". Or you think that its fine for unit to be overpriced crap because its stock unit and only doc units should be cost effective?
If unit if underperforming its underperforming and if its doctrinal or not its not an argument what so ever.
Only units from ambient building cost more then unit itself because of their deployment. Thats it.
23 Oct 2015, 13:02 PM
#37
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You've changed the forum, but are equally dense as on the official one 
I could go on here about different armies, different unit relations and accessibility, but I'd be talking to a wall anyway.
You're trying to compare apples to oranges without even having a clue about any of them.
I could go on here about different armies, different unit relations and accessibility, but I'd be talking to a wall anyway.
You're trying to compare apples to oranges without even having a clue about any of them.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Oct 2015, 13:04 PM
#38
15 Posts: 90
Only units from ambient building cost more then unit itself because of their deployment. Thats it.
Units that are paradropped and the ones that come in a glider also cost more for thier deployment.
But I guess only allies have them
23 Oct 2015, 13:06 PM
#39
Posts: 17887 | Subs: 8
Units that are paradropped and the ones that come in a glider also cost more for thier deployment.
But I guess only allies have them
He wouldn't know
He'll make friends quickly with other one army heroes who never played other side here, because thats how former official forum acolytes roll
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
23 Oct 2015, 13:21 PM
#40
Posts: 473
Permanently BannedYou have to imagine playing Rangers + smoke ability.
=> You smoke the area + you rush the area with your 4 Thompsons squad to bast anything in range.
And you suddenly encounter STG 44 Obers or triple lmg 42 Grens. Good luck with that.
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
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