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Things I learnt about WW2 from COH2

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23 Jul 2014, 11:37 AM
#61
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I applaud you on your efforts to really dissect the study in an objective way and point out all its flaws on a case by case basis. You are proving yourself to be quite the intellectual here, a man of intellectual merit to the highest order. Your proper grammar only helps your case.

But I must disagree with your thorough, objective analysis that is in no way a case of you getting pissed off when reality says otherwise about your worldview because fundamentally, war is humans killing humans, and that does not go down well on the subconscious level, and most troops weren't at the front, while those that were were quickly rotated out, at least in the case of the Allies in both world wars


Ohh pls Marshalls findings have been more less been debunked since the late 80s. He was a journalist who was skilled with a pen and the sucked up to military professionals, now people refrain from taking to much credit from him.
The Men Against Fire isn't backed by the kind of research Marshall claimed and he never did explain or show on what data he made the "75%" claim. He pulled stuff out of his ass and was caught making stuff up.

And no during his After Action Interviews in WW2 nobody seems to have heard him ask the soldiers who had or hadn't fired their weapon.

http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/articles/03autumn/chambers.pdf
23 Jul 2014, 11:39 AM
#62
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118- All tanks all have the same controls, and they are all so simplistic that even conscripts of adifferent nation with a different language can operate them, as long as the tank has had it' entire crew disabled.
23 Jul 2014, 12:00 PM
#63
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119 - Only sherman's had different types of shells, AP and He.
120 - Only the german forces in the west knew how to scrap ressources from destroyed vehicles.
121 - They were indeed as good as they could get fuel from a mortar or HMG
122 - All planes were used for reconnaissance or ground attacks. No dogfight ever happened. The only planes used were JU-87, IL-2 and P-51 Mustang.
24 Jul 2014, 07:14 AM
#64
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123 - Grenades were far more effective than guns, and rushing into MG fire with grenades will often save you

124 - Invading OKW soldiers could become "resistant" to cold but local Russians could not

125 - Soldiers could often survive being hit directly by a tank's main gun, but will always die when hit by a grenade or mortar.
24 Jul 2014, 10:18 AM
#65
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126 - German howitzer crews only fired 6 shells for a barrage.

127 - Panzerwerfers launched 10 fireworks at the enemies when ordered to.
24 Jul 2014, 10:26 AM
#66
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128 - It was extremly difficult to know when a unit had a good month and when it had a bad month. The units efficiency varied from almost useless to op.
24 Jul 2014, 10:29 AM
#67
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122 - All planes were used for reconnaissance or ground attacks. No dogfight ever happened. The only planes used were JU-87, IL-2 and P-51 Mustang.


P-47 Thunderbolt * :p
24 Jul 2014, 21:00 PM
#68
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129- only volks and sturm pios new the secrets of welding maxim in order to turn it in to fuel

130- all machines uses the same gas no diesel, motor oil or anything else needet
25 Jul 2014, 10:17 AM
#69
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131-All grenades would be handcrafted in battle from spare bullets soldiers had.
132- IT cost more to throw 1 grenade than to throw several in an assault manner.
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25 Jul 2014, 11:10 AM
#70
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133. Germans working in the West can all be five star generals. Except officers.
31 Jul 2014, 01:27 AM
#71
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134. Stalingrad was just another cutoff to a fuel point that the Germans wanted.
31 Jul 2014, 01:50 AM
#72
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Contrary to popular myths, the US had a significant presence on the eastern front, and the Soviet Union was heavily involved in the fighting to take Nazi occupied France and Belgium.
23 Aug 2014, 00:33 AM
#73
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135. The more damaged the enemy tank is, the more the panzershreck takes to reload
136. Teleport devices were given to Falls and Jaeger infantry scuads so they can apear from every builing in the map
137. Open top tanks cannot be decrewed by infantry shooting from the back or trowing a grenade
138. Relic added ingame Terminator T-800 scuads and changed the name to "Obersoldaten"
23 Aug 2014, 01:03 AM
#74
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139. Every General only began their career with 3 commanders to choose from and they had a chance of finding another one at the end of a battle
23 Aug 2014, 01:27 AM
#75
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140. There was no need for supply route, every support weapons had an infinite amount of munitions.
141. At the start of the war, panzergrenadiers were very good, then they traded armor for bullet dodging abilities. It was not really effective.
142. Panzerfuzilliers and Obersoldaten could somehow sprint when they killed enough people.
23 Aug 2014, 08:07 AM
#76
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143. When screaming over the radio for heavy tank support OKW commanders would often get the standard reply of "haf you zet up de flak truck yet?"
23 Aug 2014, 22:26 PM
#77
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144. All major powers during WWII subscribed to the bulletin system of improving training or production numbers. Historical records show that the Soviets and Americans first printed thousands of "10% increased build time" bulletins for their armored vehicles, and once they were stacked and pinned in the offices of their factories they managed to out-produce their enemies at any alarming rate.
27 Aug 2014, 06:39 AM
#78
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145. Over all combat sectors there could be heard a Belgian guy yelling "Jesus Christ" all the time.
27 Aug 2014, 08:37 AM
#79
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146. It was not unusual for the Soviets to send a liason over to Belgium to help oversee the battlefield
29 Aug 2014, 11:40 AM
#80
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147. Maxims scared the Germans more than the MG42 scared the Russians and Americans.

148. The Stavka had authorised the usage of the Maxim doctrine where the commander calls in multiple MGs to stop Western Front Germans' Sturmpioniere.
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