Profile of OrionHunter88

Dear Fritz,

You just walked into a nightmare patch release from relic!

-All your AT weapons barely penetrate armor.
-All your armor is guaranteed to be penetrated by any opposing AT weapons
-Your opponent can build a tank that will 2-3 shot all your tanks from range 100. You cannot penetrate its frontal armor and barely penetrate its rear armor. Even if you do it has 1280 HP.
-Your only reliable infantry is a MG sqaud
-Your artillery/air strikes are worse than your opponent for same cost
-Your scout car melts to the opposing scout car as soon as it joins combat.
-Your heavy tanks suck, ballzz.
-Your rockets fire in short, avoidable salvos, instead of hitting all at once.
-Your heavy artillery fires 50% less shells and has greater scatter.
-Your AT gun reloads 50% slower.
-Your tank destroyer is easily kited by other tanks.
-Your tank destroyer is uggggly.
-You do not have a bunker
-You cannot heal your units in the field
-Your half track is available a tier later.
-You have to separately research grenade/AT grenade for your core infantry.
-Your AA shoots aircraft down 60% less of the time.
-You do not have non-doctrinal AT infantry.
-You do not have non-doctrinal CQC infantry.
-All your units are less accurate as a rule.


And all of this because you have 6 man squads.

What really gets me is when a german player simply issues an attack on an M3A1 scout car. The squad will simple continuously move forward if you're kiting back. If you are on any map other than steppes or have the slightly off micro they will eventually either A) launch double panzerschreck which will fire around a corner and hit you at a range of what looks to be 50. or B) fire a panzerfaust and home rocket to a range of what appears to be about 50, through a wooden fence and a tree and insta dmg engine, no mater where the faust hit - it damaged the engine.

Sure you may force a retreat once or twice. But eventually the RNG/vehicle pathing will catch up to you.

because that makes sense. and that makes sense because that is the way the game is balanced and designed.

It's about damn time they put this commander in the game.

The multiplayer is set in summer 1944.

Look at the map names. Moscow outskirts, road to kharkov, minsk pocket etc... those were all 41-42 battles. and there are winter maps too.


Look I just never liked how the T34/KV1 is such a crap tank in this game. When the germans first encountered it they found nearly every weapon in there conventional arsenal was unable to penetrate it and had to rely on point blank range attacks or 88s to knock the tanks out.

Most of T34/KV1s early on were just abandoned because the personnel was so poorly trained they couldn't make basic repairs. Not to mention in combat they often couldn't hit anything with the main gun even though it was superior to most german tank armaments. And even some that could didn't have the parts due to really bad logistics problems with the 1941 tank brigade design. T34s were a premier tank in 1941/42, certainly by 43-45 they were outclassed. Just seems like it would be best for T3 to have a Panzer 3, while the T3 building has a panther or P4 and one or the other is only a call-in tank.

I get that Relic wanted to put the "best of german ww2 armor in the game". Just remember though, all those sweeping German victories from 1939-1942 the Panzer 3 was the core tank. By the time Panzer 4 became the workhorse Germany was losing all its battles. Food for thought.

I certainly think that OKW faction coming out in june should have P4 as the workhorse. Ostheer should've had the Panzer 3... you can disagree but why does every german faction designed by relic NEED to have the Panzer 4 as its primary medium tank?

Hopefully when they release Afrika Korp faction Panzer 3 will be the primary tank...

When the patch first came out I was furious. It seemed to me that germans had all the advantages - I even played as german for a while. But then I started testing out this particular strategy. Mind you, tactically you'll have alot of disadvatages and lose quite abit of territory until your army begins to round out.


Commanders to use:
Armored assault, Shock Frontline, Advanced Warfare (2v2 only)

Final build order (construct only T2 and T4):
4 cons or 3 cons and 1 mortar (for City 17 and Angermunde only)
2 Zis
2 Katyusha
1 IS2 or 2 T34/85s


I have found a pretty good fighting system. And Oddly enough I've found that at the end of the game nearly all the top "award" slots under the personal tab are held by conscripts. This is for all types of team games (2v2, 3v3, 4v4)

Here goes.
Build 3-4 conscripts depending on map. If map has alot of "tall buildings" that do not take damage from molotov get 1 mortar and 3 cons. Otherwise get 4 cons.

You MUST be very handy with kiting tactics/use of cover and ESPECIALLY use of molotov. Build ONLY munitions caches - sometimes your allies foolishly build fuel so try to beat them to it.

You will lose many of the first engagements. Just try to maintain a respectable position, keep luring his units back and then drop molotovs on them What happens next, 98% of the time, is germans will seal their fate and build 2 to 3 bunkers to lock down what they think will be an easy win.

At this point you build 2 Zis guns. Hammer their bunkers with direct Zis fire (don't forget to use attack ground if you can't see it. If any infantry show up bombard with light arty barrage. If you can't push them back to "middle of map" type ground then try this tactic a few times vs AI till you get a hang of it.

Build T4 and get 2x Katyusha. With these you will decimate all his infantry. Once his infantry is dead (so much for OP G43 blobs and PG blobs), you will be able to take more than 50% of your area of the map. Play defensively with IS2 (preferred over T34/85) or T34/85 pair. Regularly use the concentrated barrage to take out enemy caches if possible.

The key to this build is the use of conscripts.

Your "push units" are the katyushas/Zis guns. Conscripts are merely there to stave off direct infantry attacks and throw AT grenades. Heavy tanks/conscript are primarily defensive units.

Key points:
YOU MUST have TONS of munitions for this build (on the flip side you need very little fuel). You need to be constantly using light artillery barrage/concentrated barrage/molotovs/AT nades and especially incendiary artillery call-ins and IL-2 call-ins.


The purpose of this strategy over all is to amplify the anti-infantry killing abilities of the soviets. Whatever heavy tanks the germans deploy mwon't be too difficult to mop up. If you are using this strategy correctly he simply will not have any type of grenadier alive in the mid-late game. Your cons will be able to flank and AT nade any heavies while your katyushas will make short work of any Paks/mortars/MG 42/bunkers/P-werfers.

Lastly of all the units in this build, the two Zis guns are the most important. They will destroy bunkers, easily counter any type of early german infantry with light artillery barrage. Stave of tanks/ostwind. Be sure to use the merge ability regularly - Its the only effective way to reinforce Zis guns without being able to build and M5.


Good luck.