Profile of BabaRoga

1v1 was always balanced the best, of course Relic will try to balance 2v2+ games if they can without hurting balance of 1v1.

It is not possible to balance 4v4 games, due to incredible amount of different options and strategies a team of 4 players can develop and spamming units that woudn't be possible in 1v1.

Balancing 4v4 games in COH was always done by players themself. By choosing map and start position that equalized the game the best. (redball, Montarigis)

Furthermore by adding high resources to enable Axis to tech up faster and by putting slightly weaker players on Allied team.

This is a reason why most 4v4 COH players, who liked balanced games, are extremely unhappy about automatch and ELO 'balanced games'

P.S. Tho I play 1v1, I prefer 3v3 and 4v4 games (well, I did in COH anyway)

Don't know if you weren't reading, but the reason why people didn't use automatch were many. One of which was that lobbies existed and people tended to be directed to them. The concept of automatching was actually somewhat new and untried since console multiplayer wasn't as big a thing.

Another problem with CoH1 automatch was that the system fractured player pools many times over. First there was the split between Allies and Axis, then you would choose between 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 which were all separate pools of players.

CoH2 fixes most of that by letting players choose checkboxes for multiple modes, maximizing the number of players in each pool.

Bottom line is, you don't actually know how many people actually were happy with lobbies. What you have is anecdotal, and while many did have a positive experience, the vast majority did not. I'd wager real money that most people either don't care, or found lobbies appalling.

A vocal minority is still a minority, no matter how vocal. A few facebook posts doesn't equal a majority, or "going to new levels."

I did read what you wrote, but I am not sure if you realize that you are talking on behalf of huge community. Your theories and assumptions may not be correct, its only your opinion.

As far as majority and 'vocal minority' I don't have the data nor knowledge to say who is majority or minority. I know that most people who bought COH2 play exclusively skirmishes and campaign (trumping everyone else combined by huge margin) I know this because of info given by Relic (Noun)

I also know that there is a large number of players who don't want to play COH2 because of lack of Public custom games. (from hundreds and hundreds of threads on official COH page and even more so on Steam)

I also know that I have 3 friends (not game friends) who bought the game but wont play, for that reason. You won't find their opinion anywhere because they are not stalking forums like you and I.
There is also large proportion of players I used to play COH with, that don't want to cross over from COH....

Your points about Lobby misuse, are fair and correct in part. But you are completely oblivious or deliberately discounting many good and positive things that Lobby system provided and, I say again, I had a lot of fun and made a lot of game friends.

I raised my opinion with Relic/Noun and its up to them to decide what is best for the longevity of the game.
I know that I will get bored with 1v1 and team matches with randoms even faster. (Already barely tolerating it) But hey, common good should prevail. Even if it means disappointment for me.

No lobbies, ever.

The problem isn't that some people could use lobbies. The problem is that most didn't know the problems inherent to player controlled lobbies.

It created a very negative community experience when you'd be directed to use lobbies after the automatch takes forever (Again, due to all people being in lobbies). Then the game you'd get is deliberately made lopsided, or just silly.

Lobbies may add a small amount of what can be considered stability and longetivity, but it's the wrong kind of stability and longetivity, the kind that leads to a small, stagnant, toxic and elitist player community that causes the game to hemorrhage any new players. Similar to the sort of people spamming and insulting people for lobbies to come back.

I don't think Annihilation mode needs to be brought back for automatch or lobbies. I would agree something more silly or cooperative for groups of players to play would do well for the game. Similar to the niche that ARAM modes fill in LoL, for instance.

Maybe reuse the moniker of "Frontline" maps for some new mode that's much less serious.

There were a lot of people who had good time using lobby games and features that come with it, me included.

I went from complete noob to decent player through lobby basic matches, mostly I had fun.

A lot more than I do now in unbalanced automatch games that mostly finish with crushing defeat, or overwhelming victory.

All but few turn into skirmish games..........

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Relic attempt to introduce automatch during COH days (3v3's and 4v4's) that no one used even tho, it is so much better according to you?

Bottom line is, if majority of people are happy with automatch team games, than Lobby custom games will end up a complete failure and no one will play them. Everyone will keep playing automatch. But then again, you know that is not true and so does Relic.

Its just about impossible for Relic to determine if someone has drop-hacked or just dropped due to connection, even more so since its P2P.

Not sure how drop-hacking is done, but how can you prove someone turned off their modem?


I wouldn't hold high hopes.......

Think of the SU-85 as an armored anti tank gun. With the highest range of any non-doctrinal vehicle in the game and decent armor it should have only slightly better chances of escaping than a Pak or Zis. If you don´t support it in the first place, that´s your fault. If it got any mobility back, the gun-range would have to be decreased. It can still excel at it´s job if you use it as an AT-gun.

The Panther on the contrary - in this game - has been made to flank it seems. Thus it needs the speed. It has less range than a SU-85 and therefor needs to drive up close. If the Panther was to get a decrease in speed, it´s gun range should be tuned up to more believable range (aka 60) to distinguish it from a Panzer IV.

The Panther had a speed of 55km/h btw. compared to the Panzer IVs 38km/h - so why shouldn´t it be faster?

The real problem in this game I see with Blitzkrieg ability, not the regular speed.

The only problem with Panther I have is:

Panther with damaged engine + blitz



SU85 close control