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The Bazooka is worse than the Panzerschreck because that's how it was in reality.

And the 6 pounder is LITERALLLY the usf AT gun in reality

Range beyond 60 in this game is largely irrelevant because the maps simply don't allow for it and you need sighting. So this means you need to spend a lot of resources to keep the tank sighted, protected and constantly combat effective. The Jadgtiger doesn't get stun and the Elefant has 70 range. Using stun shot with an Elefant is really, really dumb because it resets your reload (which is 8-9 seconds) and often allows a tank you could have killed to get away.

The reason why the Elefant > Jadgtiger is the Elefants superior mobility, the fact it does not get stunned when hit, and it can self sight with spotting scopes in one commander and hulldowned to avoid rocket damage in another. The elefant also has a traversal gun

The jagdtiger comes with infantry that has huge visual range with a 90 ammo upgrade cost. I agree that the elefant is better than JT, but it's still the toughest tank in the game with the longest range. Why wouldn't I stun a churchill so my paks can get more shots in? In my experience it's an incredibly useful ability, compared to the shitty JT supporting fire and I've never seen this ''escape after being stunned''situation you described.

Their rear armor isn't that good, and they don't face worse AT at all. All AT is based on cost, Allied AT is just as good as Axis AT for what it costs, the only outliers are 57mm being mediocre and 6 Pounder being way to good. You might have had a point several years/patches ago, not anymore.

They face worse AT since they have higher armor and allies AT weapons do not have higher pen values than axis counterparts.

How are you supposed to hit the rear armor of a jagd without swarming the enemy with all of your tanks?

Try actually playing with these units. Watching means nothing since it's impossible to build an informed opinion without personal experience.

I did play with them. I use them every game and I never lost them!

Funny that despite the Elefant and JT being so good as you claim almost none were seen in OCF and they are still rare units outside of 3v3 and 4v4. The counters to them are plentiful and the fact you can't use them is not Relics fault.

I don't think churchill was a major factor in OCF either.

Since when is a JT or an elefant a rare sight in 2v2s? The same mode where churchill spam becomes relevant? Unless I missed a memo and every 1v1 game is a churchill rush into more churchills

I could also say:

The counters to them(churchills) are plentiful and the fact you can't use them is not Relics fault.

What's the counter to those heavy tank destroyers then?

And who says nobody got banned for Vickers? Did anyone even report it?

Is price banned?

Not really cookies. Immortal tanks don't need to cost more, they need to simply stop being immortal hyper cost efficient beings.

What about JT and elefant?

What? Iv never posted that T70's have killed my Jadgtiger. But your modding tools are probably out of date;



Regardless my point is the same, the Churchill is objectively broken and people should not defend it~

My Relic's software out of date? damn I better report it since they update it several times after patches

Your lack of objective viewpoints regarding balance was my point, especially skewed for the axis side