Just boomrush his ML20 with Luchs, remember to sweep.. L2p
ML20 its very inaccurate. It only soft counters OKW main style of noobs - when they make 2 leigs and sit there near schwerHQ.
Katy hard counters that but you cant make it fast enough.
Against infantry on the map it does 0 damage cuz it has like a low chance of hit it..
i blob paks all the time. its the easiest way to kill armor actually.
Can you tell or show how do you do it?
Does it mean you ussualy select the ATG and A+click with supporting infantry. Or ussualy position first, move infantry forward. And wait for tank to get inside arc of fire.
VS Schwere i like doing ground Attack, stay out of range so u dont get shreded by it, u didnt hit it every shoot with GA but u can destroy it, without spending munition kappa
Thank you.
Is it right that fire arc of ZIS must reach center of schwer HQ to hit it? It seems that actual ZIS range is 1.5 cm (on screen) shorter than arc.
This unit is hard to micro. And I feel if can get better it would be much easier to win.
Sometimes oponent just can get 1-2 tanks. And you being unable to control ZIS invseting lots of money in T4 ans SU85. For easy win. And even vs light tanks proper micro of ATG helps a lot.
So please some advices and replays of how to play effectivly with ZIS.
1. Vs light tanks
2. vs medium and heavy tanks
3. vs schwer HQ
I don't think anyone argues that a ATG is a hard counter to light vehicles. The point is that the immobility of the ATG really hinders it's ability against an early M5 with it's current timing on any map that is semi-open. It turns a hard counter into more of a "medium counter" or whatever you want to call it. It results in you either being forced off other parts of the map or forced into buying multiple ATGs that only sets you further back.
I also don't really see what you mean with the Panzerwerfer being a hard counter either... T4 Artillery that is generally agreed to be one of the most underperforming units in the game isn't relevant at all. (Though I'm sure if the barrage hit the M5 it would probably kill it)
i meant raketen. AT gun. Those germ crazy names are hard to fully remember
I m 100% sure any single ATG hard counters M5. Even raketen werwer HARD COUNTERS it. Not soft counters.
Its good if its stays as is cuz axis would need to guess what will it be T70 or M5. And counters are the same but positioninig and ways to engage are different slightly.
M5
Played 1 game today. Like 10 games in total with this unit. Not sure why people are raging about M5
1. Mediocre dps
2. Mediocre speed
3. Standart light armor
Its not a wiping machine, at long range it just supresses. Ussualy it gets like 15 kills per game.
What it is doing well is supressing blobs. For me T70 > M5.