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Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2014, 13:44 PMThe Silver Sage

I have no problem with maxims being changed in regards to their battlefield function. Right now they are being used as substitute core infantry because of the Soviets lack of non-doctrinal mid-long range infantry.

The problem with using cons is that by the time they get up close to their ideal damage range they will have taken quite a few casualties, this isn't a problem in early game as at this point small arms lethality is quite low but as the game progresses it gets to the point where your cons, even in green cover will be eating 1-2 lmgs as they advance.

Generally they become nothing more than punching bags and anti-tank delivery systems.

Penal troops are much the same except they scale even worse but at least they get survivability buffs with vet as opposed to cons who get a movement increase (that's what Oorah is for). I think they need to make these guys better at mid-long range and increase their price as they share too many characteristics with Cons.

Now the main issue of this thread; maxims.

First off this 4 man suggestion is being discussed in a vacuum it seems. If they are brought down to 4 men a single rifle grenade from a gren squad will most likely bring them down to 1 man and we all know with the 25% accuracy received penalty and axis long range proficiency that's goodnight for the last surviving gunner. 5 man squads could be argued and I think that is a much more fair proposition. If that was to occur then as I said the aforementioned core infantry changes would also need to happen.

Just 2 other points of contention that have come up in this thread;

Maxims suppressing quickly: looking at Coh2stats it seems the mg34 has the best suppression values while the browning has the best dps at near ranges and the maxim at far ranges. Taking into account the fact that the maxim has a smaller arc of fire I feel that it's fair.
As other's have suggested if you want to get near a maxim, use smokes as a Soviet using shock troops would against an mg42 etc.

If I've got anything wrong in regards to the mg stats let me know but from playing it seems right.

The other point was in regards to maxims winning out against mg42s after walking into their arc of fire. I agree the maxim if caught like that shouldn't beat out the mg42, I think relic should look at how suppressed team weapons work as a whole instead of, as some people suggested nerfing it's range. Often the maxim get suppressed first but then the mg42 is the one to get pinned, suppressed weapons teams should fire far less frequently than they do now and I think that would be a better solution.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2014, 13:31 PMgary.giles71

As a pure Russian player with average abilities who uses maxims and shocks... I see extremes in German players. Newbs with no micro who run straight into the arc, suppressed and mortared and then good players who just flank you with superior micro and with the changes to rotation you have to instantly retreat or lose the gun. These players will beat you before you can call in the shocks troops and you can guarantee you have just lost the fuel war all before 2CP. Maxims need an interference troop such as shocks to truly shine. Still what is considered spam ... I start with 2 Maxim, then a mortar then build another maxim to push an area of the map. Hopefully by then I can call in a shock or I build another mortar. I'm thinking I should change it up to a conscript after the first maxim to run interference earlier. So is that spam or combined arms? It certainly isn't a blob as your maxims are spread out or you have no map presence.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2014, 12:45 PMKatitof

Smoke don't do damage like axis smoke nades and smoke doesn't root your troops in place.

Why are you standing still, waiting for shocks?

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2014, 07:07 AMCannonade

I dont see how buffing Cons, somehow magically fixes Maxims.