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The Non-Meta Commander Cup Season 2

12 Sep 2016, 17:43 PM
#42
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its mean most players only can pick Overwatch doctrine ... cuz walking democharge pretty fun to use Kappa


On Housemaps Firestorm sounds nice^^

But yes, I agree i think most OKW will go for Luftwaffe Ground Forces Doctrine

Also a lot of OKW players play without doc in the most of the games.
13 Sep 2016, 07:21 AM
#43
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From the main page:

"After vetoing maps, the bottom bracket player will pick their faction. Next game, the top player chooses first... "

It is not clear for me, does it means if the bottom bracket team picks "allied" faction on the first game, is it possible for the second game that the top bracket player picks "axis" faction with the result of playing 2 games with the same faction each team?

Or is it mandatory to play for each team one game as axis and one game as allies for the first 2 games?

Thanks.
13 Sep 2016, 07:34 AM
#44
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fire storm will probably be used a lot this tourney, It has a lot of good abilities aside from the derpy fire potato
13 Sep 2016, 10:44 AM
#45
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From the main page:

"After vetoing maps, the bottom bracket player will pick their faction. Next game, the top player chooses first... "

It is not clear for me, does it means if the bottom bracket team picks "allied" faction on the first game, is it possible for the second game that the top bracket player picks "axis" faction with the result of playing 2 games with the same faction each team?

Or is it mandatory to play for each team one game as axis and one game as allies for the first 2 games?

Thanks.

Mirror matches banned. So if you first pick allies, you have to play axis in game 2. You understand? :)
13 Sep 2016, 13:21 PM
#46
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Adjusted the times to GMT, bcs people might get confused between CET or CEST ^^
13 Sep 2016, 13:52 PM
#47
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Excuse me, so you put ISU available, but elefant/jagdtiger are banned? WUT???????

Not even the fortified armor elefant?? Please think seriously about this, lmfao.
13 Sep 2016, 14:13 PM
#48
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Excuse me, so you put ISU available, but elefant/jagdtiger are banned? WUT???????

Not even the fortified armor elefant?? Please think seriously about this, lmfao.

Did you have a look at the commander?

-4 non meta abilities which are rarely-never used.
- isu which is rarely used in 2v2

There are other counters for isu then an elephant or jt, you just have to look for them
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13 Sep 2016, 14:15 PM
#49
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This is gonna be the last adjustment to the commander list:
-Airborne will be removed

I dont want usf to insta pick airborne and completely forget about the other docs. Ez 8 isnt a bad commander 2, but bcs of the fact that you still have to tech for it (no call ins) and that there are a lot of non meta abilitys in the commander, it will stay.

THESE ARE THE LAST ADJUSTMENTS

Final list is in the portal article ;)
13 Sep 2016, 14:48 PM
#50
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Did you have a look at the commander?

-4 non meta abilities which are rarely-never used.
- isu which is rarely used in 2v2

There are other counters for isu then an elephant or jt, you just have to look for them
.



LMFAO, pak43, ok cant argue with you man, totally gg :thumbsup::thumbsup:
13 Sep 2016, 15:01 PM
#51
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try stug spam. might even work
13 Sep 2016, 16:04 PM
#52
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LMFAO, pak43, ok cant argue with you man, totally gg :thumbsup::thumbsup:

lol
13 Sep 2016, 17:00 PM
#53
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Did you have a look at the commander?

-4 non meta abilities which are rarely-never used.
- isu which is rarely used in 2v2

There are other counters for isu then an elephant or jt, you just have to look for them
.


I think if the Elephant is banned, ISU-152 should be banned. I see no problem for using Elephant from that non meta commander. On some maps ISU-152 will be a game changer and there is no reliable counter for it. Pak43 can be nulified from distance by Priest/Kats.

Think about it or the tourney will be a ISU-152 fest.
13 Sep 2016, 17:12 PM
#54
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I think if the Elephant is banned, ISU-152 should be banned. I see no problem for using Elephant from that non meta commander. On some maps ISU-152 will be a game changer and there is no reliable counter for it. Pak43 can be nulified from distance by Priest/Kats.

Think about it or the tourney will be a ISU-152 fest.

I don't think it will be an isu fest. First of all, there are way more good non meta doctrines for the soviets that are worth picking. Second of all, and how many times do i need to say this... , THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THEN JT OR ELEPHANT TO COUNTER AN ISU!!! "When will they learn, i wonder"
:P
13 Sep 2016, 18:34 PM
#55
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I don't think it will be an isu fest. First of all, there are way more good non meta doctrines for the soviets that are worth picking. Second of all, and how many times do i need to say this... , THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THEN JT OR ELEPHANT TO COUNTER AN ISU!!! "When will they learn, i wonder"
:P


Of course there are more soft counters for ISU (SOFT) while ISU-152 without hard counter is a HARD counter to any kind of Inf, tanks and even paks.

There are also more soft counters for Sturmtiger or elephant but you give no chance to them. I can understand Sturmtiger ban but not elephant. That elephant commander was really a non meta commander.

Every USF will pick Priest doctrine, why don't you ban it as well?

ISU-Elephant ban/admit should be together. Going ISU you force axis to go a shitty commander, if the soviet picks ML-20 or T-85's then elephant have no sense.

I'll may participate if my team needs me...
13 Sep 2016, 20:09 PM
#56
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Every USF will pick Priest doctrine, why don't you ban it as well?



You know that Priest is banned or?^^
13 Sep 2016, 20:17 PM
#57
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Of course there are more soft counters for ISU (SOFT) while ISU-152 without hard counter is a HARD counter to any kind of Inf, tanks and even paks.

There are also more soft counters for Sturmtiger or elephant but you give no chance to them. I can understand Sturmtiger ban but not elephant. That elephant commander was really a non meta commander.

Every USF will pick Priest doctrine, why don't you ban it as well?

ISU-Elephant ban/admit should be together. Going ISU you force axis to go a shitty commander, if the soviet picks ML-20 or T-85's then elephant have no sense.

I decided not to participate in this tourney due to this dramatic rule changes. And you can check my playercard to see that I'm not an axis player, I play mostly allies.

Sad to hear that dude... So you are only quiting bcs ISU isnt bad while elephant is? Elephant has to be banned bcs everybody uses it in 2v2. ISU isnt being used in 2v2 and the doc isnt that good 2. Thats why its allowed. Sad your singing off, hope to see you next time i gues...
13 Sep 2016, 20:27 PM
#58
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Osttruppen is non-meta?

Edit: sorry, didn't see that you already made the last adjustment
13 Sep 2016, 20:32 PM
#59
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Sep 2016, 20:27 PMwouren
Osttruppen is non-meta?

Edit: sorry, didn't see that you already made the last adjustment

Ostruppen in 2v2 :foreveralone:
Only have seen zansibar do that MVGame
13 Sep 2016, 20:35 PM
#60
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Ostruppen in 2v2 :foreveralone:
Only have seen zansibar do that MVGame


CHEESETRUPPEN
13 Sep 2016, 21:39 PM
#61
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elefant non meta ? ''That elephant commander was really a non meta commander.'' non meta coz hulldown ? while commander has panzer tactician and command piv ? like who uses stuka elefant commander anymore ? :guyokay: both elefant commanders are as meta as possible in 2s. i cant even see ostheer lategame without elefant (espesially the command panzer one) is this war against shock isu (which u never see in use in any game mode) coz we beat ur mates with talisman so fast in vaux today ? maybe u try something else than tiger in that big map. i would see tiger in use in like maps such ettelbruck, trois, small maps, hard to manouver, lose advantage of mass t34s/ isu. Tho the game we played today, ur mates make little bit big deal about isu, since ISU shot only couple time during that game (and few kills) the real deal was the su-76s and 85s, not the isu. Also, try out 2 stug and vet them before isu hits field. 2x stugs + stun shots deals isu with ease.

Since what ive seen ur teams strats are pretty much command panther + elefant, this is non meta tournament. u need to figure out something else now. or dont participate. thats also choice.
We've been playing today only non meta commander games, i dont see problem with commanders and strats. yeah allied basic build and infantry are strong. But so is okw if u make game last over 40min. ostheer is our poor abused little boi which has to struggle with allied war machinery, no matter if its non meta or meta, its sad, but true. but ISU itself wont win the tournament, even there isnt ''hard counter'' for it.
okw has obers/kt non doctrinal. no calliope to wipe infantry. vet 5n okw will be really fine in this tournament.ostheer might have some rough time, but ostheer has some rough time, no matter the game mode. just needs to adapt. and even there is tiger available as commanders, its still really situational to choose. #StugOP
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