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by Frost 24th May 2016, 10:59 AM
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24 May 2016, 10:59 AM
#1
avatar of Frost

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When full squad of Obers were wiped on mine, full squad of Fallshimjagers wiped by M1 Howitzer in one shot, rekentens can do shit on pershing, blobs with bars >>>> elite okw infantry. Even if MG-34 would cost 100mp i wouldn't buy it cuz it's doing shit vs blobs and indirect fire which is powerfull in US army. Well done relic. Someone can undertake this replay and say what was wrong? inb4 no armor, p4 would be ussles on zookas, at gun and superduper armor of pershing, panther can do shit against inf and jp4 which is lose on wheels
24 May 2016, 11:47 AM
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Speaking as someone who has not much experience 1v1 OKW... here are my thoughts (or more how I would generally play).

Doctrines: Even though going non-meta is fun, Luftwaffe is the only viable doctrine you could choose, but there are other good doctrines such as SpecOps, Defensive, Breakthrough and Scavenger.

SpecOps and Defensive are especially good against Pershing doctrine (Command Panther extra damage/Pak43)

No Kübelwagen: Just a minor thing but I like to get a Kübelwagen to get early capping power and allow my few troops to focus on fighting, though I must admit the Kübel wouldn't have survived for long against all those mines.

Only 3 Volks: I think atleast 4 Volks are mandatory for OKW, instead you got yourself a way too early Püppchen.

Falls or Obers? Decide which you want. Getting Obersoldaten requires expensive tech. So why not spent that fuel on light vehicles (which could have helped you out greatly) isntead and get Falls? Luchs, Puma, Stuka all those vehicles could have helped you against his playstyle.

Everything could have been worse: If the enemy had chosen Calliope which is THE killer-doc against infantry heavy OKW play.
24 May 2016, 15:57 PM
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B-hurt is real lel (:
24 May 2016, 17:35 PM
#4
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SpecOps and Defensive are especially good against Pershing doctrine (Command Panther extra damage/Pak43)

Even if Command Panther from Spec Ops is fine but rest is just intresting. Nades which have big delay and STG's for obers which are fine but I don't get why they put upgrade for obers and callin panther? Also, no elite infantry in mid game. Good in team games, just intresting in 1v1.

Only 3 Volks: I think atleast 4 Volks are mandatory for OKW, instead you got yourself a way too early Püppchen.

I just got 3 volks cuz I wanted to get more elite infantry, but even 3 volks gave me huge MP drain. I also suspect M20 or HT AA and thats why I build early raketen.

Falls or Obers? Decide which you want. Getting Obersoldaten requires expensive tech. So why not spent that fuel on light vehicles (which could have helped you out greatly) isntead and get Falls? Luchs, Puma, Stuka all those vehicles could have helped you against his playstyle.


Stuka is ez to avoid, Puma is risky and would propably usless in most match and Luchs wouldn't survive long on those mines and zookas. Obers should be better than rifles and that's why i build them but I was wrong apparently.

Everything could have been worse: If the enemy had chosen Calliope which is THE killer-doc against infantry heavy OKW play.

amen

jump backJump back to quoted post24 May 2016, 15:57 PMUzmanoy
B-hurt is real lel (:

Few days ago I sold you reliable rekt and you still dare to post here?
24 May 2016, 17:54 PM
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I have to say that there were quite a few things that you did wrong that cost you the game.

- You overextended your forces while there was a stuart on the field, which resulted in the death of your sturmpios. You never rebuild your sturmpios and thus you were very vulnerable to mines, which ended up wiping your Obers.

- No counter arty to his PAKhowies. LEIGs are pretty good at countering PAK howitzers.

- No armor. A P4 would have been great. You say it does not work because of zookas, but all he had was 2 zooks on his captain. He spend all the rest of his ammo on BARs and did not have any AT guns, but instead made a second PAK howie to counter your no-armor strategy.

On a side-note I think you should always go for the Panzer 2 on an open map like this. It's just a lot better than going medtruck. To me going med truck on an open map is like going for snipers on the old Stalingrad map; it just doesn't work that well. Not vs USF at least.

On another side-note: I do think call-in tanks need another looking at.
24 May 2016, 20:46 PM
#6
avatar of Uzmanoy

Posts: 106

Do you satisfy yourself with 2v2 victories ? lel Im done (:
24 May 2016, 22:16 PM
#7
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Both factions are broken, its unfair too you can get an "anti all blob" unlike the other factions, you have elite infantry non doctrinal,free engies with STGs, while Sovs have a 170mp unit. you have free medics just teching, free repairs just teching, free anti-air (that also blocks a point and hits on land) teaching too, the most powerful heavy tank of the game non doctrinal.
25 May 2016, 08:05 AM
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avatar of Frost

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jump backJump back to quoted post24 May 2016, 22:16 PMPanther
Both factions are broken, its unfair too you can get an "anti all blob" unlike the other factions


The one example which i have on mind is stuka but it's too easy to avoid strikes in 1v1. They have worst MG in this game and the only one good supression unit iss Flak HT which isn't that durable.


you have elite infantry non doctrinal

Obers? Well, I need elite infantry to counter basic infantry like tommies or rifles. Sounds like absurd but it's sadly like this

free engies with STGs

It's like PG's but less durable. It could be op but on begining of WFA, not now. Even 2 spios opening isn't popular cuz it's too risky.

while Sovs have a 170mp unit

With flamers and demo. But it's faction design. Ostheers have 200mp uslees piooners when brits got 210mp powerfull engineers

you have free medics just teching, free repairs just teching

atm, will be fixed soon. But why did not you mention about free squads with free weapons then?

free anti-air (that also blocks a point and hits on land) teaching too

agree. It also should be fixed but I don't have influence to do that

the most powerful heavy tank of the game non doctrinal.

For 310 + all tech cost fuel. On the opposite side of the barricade we got only bit less powerfull pershing and tiger ace but waaaaaaaaaay cheaper than KT which usually comes at 30 min and later.
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