I never said tier 3 is fine. in fact i have stated the opposite that tier is as logical as a luchs in the okw hq building. The units themselves are fine however. and their is no such thing as a core unit when it comes to tanks.
Tier 3 is NOT fine but the tanks are FINE? Were you talking about the aesthetics of the building? I would have preferred it in black
You are going in circles. First you claim that the P4 vs. T34/76 matchup isn't as skewed as I made it out to be, then when I disprove you, you state pricing. Thats not an argument, that is coming up with excuses.
You are wasting your time talking to him man, he makes Alex looks like a Soloman
Holy shit dude. You can't use callins as an excuse to gimp the main faction. What about the 12 doctrines without IS2/t34/85/m4c? Should they never be used in favor of callins? Has anyone ever said that OKW is op because you can get p4 call in + kt?
The point of this thread is the need for the core soviet faction to have a decent medium tank to support itself. No army should rely on callins to such a crippling extent. Claiming that callins like the is2 are op (and rightly so), yet expecting the core army to remain as weak as it is currently is just hypocritical, when Ostheer has a great medium in the p4, yet isn't op when used to support a tiger.
If you think heavy callins meta late game is perfectly balanced and fun/ not cheesy to use and fight, then I question your sanity.
Now then, please try again.
Edit: in terms of your p4 vs. T34/76 statement. The t34 has a 100/180 chance to pen a stock P4 at mid range while the p4 has a 110/180 chance. This is at vet 0. At vet 2, the p4 gets over 220 effective armor at vet 2, giving the t34 < 50% to pen at mid and long ranges. At far, the t34 has 80 pen whole the p4 has 100. At close, both tanks have 120 pen.
And the t34 in no way is meant to be used in conjunction with other armor. It has 0 advantages that support armor foes (high dps, high survivability), and has NO LATEGAME units in its tier. People stop using t70s late game because t70s have 320hp (1 pak43/jt/ele, 2 pak), not because people suck. Su85's are almost impossible to tech to. T34s are absolutely meant to be spammed.
Dude, there is no dialogues with Zyllan, he pretends to respond but is only continuing a monologue. So all your well thought-out responses are a waste of time
He just knows what changes are coming and somewhat understands them.
This unit will be new SU-76 post patch and no one wants that.
Hell, relic acknowledged it as a noob trap and there are still some retarded people believing its fine using arguments "because when I'm owned it arrives faster".
However T34 indeed doesn't need much. 10% cost decrease alone would likely suffice.
A 10% decrease will not be enough if the tank gets moved to T4 and you need to build T3 to build T4. It needs to scale better, a cost decrease is not enough at all
That can be one shot by any precision shot of any vet1 mortar/katyusha without any counter lay (or maybe you move your ATG each time you hear a mortar shot or katyusha shot ?)
See the whole picture, not only unit and his "counterpart"
SU does have this week the best winrate this week (http://coh2chart.com/ the site you love), does a shockunit have to be buffed ?
you do realize that even Alex wants a buff to T 34/76s, right. what does that tell you? when the patch comes and if the 76 is moved to T4 as predicted no one will build this tank anymore.
I used to build one or two in every game before, for the shock value. But now I go T4 coz I am learning to play with SU 76s