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Oh look, it's this thread again. Obersoldaten are fine I think since they're supposed to be the best anti-infantry unit in the game, and they're also historically authentic since Germany had the most elite units in WW2. Allied players also tend to overlook the fact that a lot of the times, Shock Troops beat Obersoldatens but let's not use reasoning and logic. Bars for the USF are also getting a major buff in the next patch which effectively turn American infantry into potent infantry, so nerfing the Obersoldatens(OKW's only line of defence against the Russian and American hordes of infantry) isn't a wise move.

Oh please. By 1944 (which OKW is based on) all german "elite" soldiers were either dead or maimed and in hospitals. Especially considering that this is based on the battle of the bulge specifically, AFTER Bagration.


There was nothing elite about the german army in 1944. Most were conscripts thrown into the meatgrinder with little training, like everyone else.

If anything, ostheer should have better quality troops since they are based of earlier in the war.

It comes down to the fact that this ISU is nothing like the previous one.
This one needs micro and attention
This one isn't the way to go in 80% of the games
This one isn't better than going for t4 and get su85's or other things
This one isn't the beast it used to be.

The fact that the unit changes and gets a an other role in the game, is in fact also a part of balancing. Its not that easy to use.

Its not always about changing AoE, range or splash, its also about other solutions that reduce the impact of a certain unit.

So you are okay with this unit to be completely useless?

The jagtiger will now never be able to kill a single sherman, or pretty much any vehicle for that matter.



The ISU-152 will still be able to oneshot squads, but will be completely useless againts vehicles.

I really don't see how these changes are better than just straight up nerfing the AOE on the isu and removing the ability for the jagtiger to shoot through buildings...



And it doesn't need micro and attention. It is simply not possible to hit moving targets.



And overall, this will lead to axis being more OP in teamgames, because the sheer OPness of the isu-152 allowed the allies to fight back in big team games, since all of their other options except ISU-152 are inferior to their axis counterparts, it will be even more terrible.

The sole purpose of the jagtiger was to pretty much to counter the ISU. Your just fine with tigers/panthers/KTs to win.


It's ok though. Eventually relic will realize that this change simply isin't a good idea.

Comrade napalm , your devotion to relic is highly suspiciuos..


You should think about your actions tovarisch.

Against skilled players this units won't work anymore. They are basically Sturmtigers and even if you have the awareness and timing to know where a unit will be if it's moving that doesn't mean you hit it because the scatter is too high.

The shell of those units will randomly land somewhere in the circle, making it neatly impossible to hit small fast moving units.

Or do you manage to hit retreating squads with rifle nades on a regular basis?

Both units have now a minimum range which basically means that a fast tank is a hard counter.

Honestly I like the game more without this units than with them.
I was building the Jagdtiger exclusively to counter the ISU.
Without these units the game feels more refreshing, you get the impression that your tank Micro is more important than fielding this game breaker units.

But overall i am even more worried about allies in team games, the nerf to these units might seem good at first, but the thing that was keeping allies somewhat playable in big team games was the sheer retard OPness of the ISU-152, the rest of their units simply aren't very good.


Overall we will see, and these patch notes aren't even final so whatever.

Okay, so as you may know, the ISU-152 and jagtiger in the current metagame are absolutely broken.
They needed some kind of a fix.


However, I feel that this fix is not the way it is supposed to be fixed.

First, the whole idea of the patch seemed to be to increase the general responsiveness, usability of units. This was all much needed, and units now feel much more reliable and play is now as a result much more fluid.


However, the ISU-152 and jagtiger received some weird changes. Instead of nerfing them in a normal way, relic decided to nerf them in a rather.. unorthodox matter.

Instead of nerfing the unit, they completely removed the usability of the unit. It is now impossible to hit moving targets and overall makes these units borderline useless. It's basically removing the ability of direct fire and made it only have "attack ground"
I feel that these kind of nerfs go againts the idea of the patch which was to make units feel more responsive.

I think a much more simple solution was to simply nerf the accuracy and AOE on the ISU, and removing the ability for the jagtiger to fire through buildings.


Discuss.