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Jump back to quoted post4 May 2014, 13:30 PMJaigen

You mean the Volga river. When the Germans where in the city Stalingrad had very little economic worth to the Germans or soviets. While Stalingrad was a very good position to cut the volga of it could be done at any point of the river.

Also while the 6th army was in Stalingrad the germans assaulted the Caucasus. Operation Uranus was their to destroy the 6th army that guarded the flank of the Caucasus offensive but the city itself was worthless.

Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 17:29 PMspajn

In all honesty its impossible to know how it would have played out, germany was indeed in a bad spot but i still think it was a slim hope to get somekind of peace agreement in 1942 (especially if axis would have captured stalingrad). But then again, we will never know for sure.

Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 17:04 PMspajn

If german production was higher in 1944 im sure Soviet production was still atleast double the production of Germany. Operation Typhoon failed mostly because of bad weather and exhausted units along with fresh welltrained reinforcements for soviets. That Soviets were able to pull of Operation Uranus was pretty amazing since germany had bombed the crap out of leningrad and stalingrad which was industrial cities with huge tank factories... i think german highcommand didnt know about that soviet had moved many factories further inland.

Jump back to quoted post3 May 2014, 16:12 PMDeath's Head

The Soviet high command certainly "learned how to win" by 1944 but they continued to do so while suffering much higher casualties and equipment losses than the Germans.

This is particularly appalling and unacceptable considering that by 1944 the Soviet Union had virtually every military/economic advantage over their foes. They had complete operational initiative after Kursk, they outnumbered German forces by a healthy 4:1 figure, they were in a massive surplus of equipment including artillery, aircraft as well close to zero concern for basic supplies like fuel, ammunition, food etc that the Germans by this point were rationing frugally...yet the Germans were able to continue a symmetrical war (albeit a defensive war) against them until mid 1945.

This is a remarkable feat for a nation that by that point had no real allies, militarily or economically and was surrounded on all sides by larger, better supplied and equipped forces.