Profile of Burts

Oh dear.

To be honest, i don't really think US is overperforming as a whole, it's just that some german units are borderline useless. T4 for ostheer is completely innacesible. Brummbar is okay, pwerfer is batshit OP ( it also got a big buff), however, the panther is a total letdown. It's not really good at all.


As OKW, a panther isint a good idea at all. It's better to just simply spam pumas (which in my opinion are somewhat too good). Puma puma puma puma.



However Sov vs Ostheer is balanced very well (might soon be completely unbalanced due to relic implementing 4 man weapon teams WTF relic)

That is normal because late in the game most of the action moves to vehicles and tanks, so most infantry (both grens and cons) play the smaller role of capping and supporting armor. Keep in mind also that cons (compared to grens) are very good early in the game. It would not be fair to make them better later in the game.

He isint asking to make them equal to lmg grens. DP cons would still lose to lmg grens. All he wants is them to be able to fight lmg grens. Nothing else.

I've been asking for this for ages, however, it's relic design choice of conscripts being shit.

What the fuck are you talking about.
Who the fuck is "we".
How the fuck is Yuri the Penal trooper, different from the Yuri the Conscript he originally was , in any meaningulf sense.
Ill tell you how. Yuri used to be a conscript, until some NKVD asshole labelled him a criminal because of somwthing he said against the party, when he was drunk. Now Yuri is a Penal, and still fighting the fight, but with even shittier stuff to deal with.

Thatnis who Yuri is. A citizen, foreced into a Penal unit, and still fighting for his life, for his comrades, his loved ones and for his state.

Why are you trying to shit on the accomplishments and sacrifice of Penal troop for their comrades, loved ones and state?

Penal troops fought and died, like everyone else in the Great Patriotic War/WWII.

I have no idea what the fuck you are on about.

Stop trying to portray their accomplishments and sacrifice as "less " than anyone elses who risked or gave their life.
Makes no goddam sense.

Even as an officer in the opposing army (Finland) I appreciate Penals for what they achieved and risked.
What is your excuse and explanation for trying to piss on their efforts and losses?

If you had actually served in the military in defence of your country, you would understand that your angle, historically and morally, is wrong.

So much for that argument then, because not only do Penals have good dmg from SVT, byt they also cost more.
Thats why this thread, and my earlier proposal for a wide upgrade variety.

Its not an "elite" unit, its a "rare" unit that, if the changes I propose are implemented, can have great variety to fill the Commander gaps on a baseline tech system.

Penals are NOT trash. Historically, they are a "shock" unit to be delpoyed, with the weapons and support they need, in missions so dangerous that nobody else will volunteer for them.

I dont understand, at all, why you try to piss on the accomplishments and sacrifice of Penal men.
They fought, and died, just as hard, if not harder in many cases, as everyone elsw.

Stop trying to piss on them, as if they where trash. They wherent.
Inatead, focus on the point of the thread, which is bringing Penals to where they need to be in tech and meta structure.

Dude, calm down, you completely misunderstood me. What i am not ok is how the red army is equipped in this game. Conscripts in this game only have rifles. However, in reality, a dp light machine gun and some ppsh was part of every soviet 12 man squad. Yet in this game, most factions get their light machine guns (bars, lmg grens,obersoldaten) while poor soviets don't even get submachine guns or light machine guns non doctrinally.

Regarding penals, you are right. They were just troops following orders, and unlike what most people think, they were usually well equipped and well lead.

What i meant by "Vassiliy the rifleman" was that soviets need some non doctrinal infantry that scale decently, even in the late game.

If relic is feeling particuraly generuos, give penals a 4x PTRS upgrade.
The most simple solution would just to give conscripts a 1x dp upgrade. Make that dp around 75% - 80% damage of a gaurd DP, they would still lose to lmg grens, but atleast they could fight them. That's all i want . Nothing more.

If relic is feeling particuraly generous, they could give penals 4x PTRS upgrade.