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Thread: Over nerfed Obers31 Mar 2015, 16:21 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 16:16 PMilGetUSomDay no you can't, patch said exclusive upgrades Sorry, you did not get point No one said about MG34+STGs, or maybe I dont understand you? Nevermind.. Point is, STGs are effective at all ranges. Long range like Grens with LMG, close range like Shocks. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Over nerfed Obers31 Mar 2015, 16:03 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:50 PMAlexzandvar Dude the issue here isn't that the new Obers are shit (because they are not!), it's just that they are fairly costly when you can make units that do more than kill infantry while still being VERY GOOD at killing infantry. JLI and Fallsch can both spawn from buildings, JLI have sprint and can sight for you while cloaking, Fallsch do a buttload of DPS at all ranges and have a snare that OKW needs badly, Fuss are a great meat shield that's cheap and effective while having flares. The G43 makes them even better. Obers should have just had the LMG removed completely (because seriously fuck LMGs), and been given 2 regular StG's and a cost of like 340 MP, IR StG's remain the same. Instead we got the LMG nerfed and move to an upgrade, and the IR StG nerfed for ~reasons~ despite being 30 muni more expensive than the LMG. you said there is no point for spending 400MP when you can spend less and now you are calling Falls for 440... As for STGs, they are amazing. Make Obers into LMG Grens at long range and Shocks at close range. I belive you can have both. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Over nerfed Obers31 Mar 2015, 15:45 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:37 PMAlexzandvar Wow that's great, I can get the exact same thing with out spending 400 mp! The Obers DPS with only rifles in close range is only a tiny bit higher than basic riflemen, and if you get unlucky and one of your models dies you just lost a good chunk of your DPS. The question here isn't "Are Obersoldat still good?" It's "Why would I spend 400 MP and 60 munitions for a infantry unit with no utility that does something I can already do". And how you want to do this since Fusilier vs Rifles at close range it's almost 50/50 and Jaegers won't stand agasint them at close range unless Rifles are damaged? They have a chance when Fighting at long range but when Rifles caught you around the corner only Obers can kill them. Obers can melt Rifles without LMG at any range. No other infantry below 400 can do that. Outisde of the cover for both sides, 2 Rifles vs 1 Obers will lead us to 1 model of Rifle standing and dead Obers but this involves much RNG. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Over nerfed Obers31 Mar 2015, 15:33 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:12 PMAlexzandvar I said Obers without the LMG are basically more expensive riflemen/grens performance wise. Obers with LMG will obviously beat rifles, but fuck If I'm spending 400 MP and 60 munitions to do something I can do with Pfuss and JLI, or just Fallsch who actually have a snare that I can use to stop crushing. Funny fact. Obers without LMG will beat Rifles at any range. And it's not beating by last man standing. It's beating without losing any model or 1; 2 ver, very rare. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Explain: one player 4x the start army value of all others31 Mar 2015, 14:37 PM Like Cookiez said. SP are more valuable than RE or CE + Truck + Volks + Volks. Everything is fine here In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Over nerfed Obers31 Mar 2015, 14:26 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:25 PMGustavGans A new strategist I see. Congrats! Can't be long for Katitof to recieve the same honour then. Look into stats friend since we are talking about stats Or try to use for example Terror Officer unit. Whole squad is made from Officer and 3 Obers. And those 3 Obers can do the job. 15-30kills is something normal for them. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Over nerfed Obers31 Mar 2015, 14:25 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:21 PMJaigen Well if you on stats and mp then you will see that while obers are better grens outperform them because they are 45% cheaper. not to mention they have panzerfausts and riflesnades making them far more flexible then the obers. And the cost of LMG and switch this ammo into MP and what MP cost you will get? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Explain: one player 4x the start army value of all others31 Mar 2015, 14:19 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:12 PMchester_chuckles errr how do i do that? Go to the replay section, click upload a replay and go to documents/my games/coh2/playback. Last game will be saved as "temp" click it and upload. Was this guy ostheer? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Over nerfed Obers31 Mar 2015, 14:14 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:11 PMJaigen such retarded logic. one squad is 400 mp the other 280. but im better of sending either 2 volks a fsj or a fusilier. they get the job done a lot better. im not arguing that obers are stronger. they are not worth getting for the price you are paying and are the moment the worst infantry in the game if you look on the stats. Their is no point in getting them. if shocktroopers could not handle 2 volks you would be pissed , obers cannot handle 2 rifleman or even conscripts efficiently. Well, if you look on the stats, you will se that Obers without LMG are stronger than Grens with LMG or quite similar. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Over nerfed Obers31 Mar 2015, 13:53 PM Is this thread for real? Patch is not even online and you know Obers are nerfed into the ground? Obers even without LMGs are very good. Try terror officer with 3 Obers around officer. Also keep in mind insane vet 5. In: COH2 Balance