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Decrease its scatter and cost. Possibly allow it to use its full barrage range for direct-fire or part of it, somewhere around 100-140. While the Le.IG is more accurate and shoots quicker allowing it to respond to incoming threats better, it has to be closer to the front to operate versus the Pack Howitzer which, while not as lethal, is much safer with larger AOE making it more ideal at shelling fortified positions. It's barrage range is also further which would help towards all of this.

They have the same health of any other medium tank at 640. Most tank guns/ AT weapons deal 160 unless they're handheld with the highest being the shrek at 120. Yet, it, like the rest of the American armoured forces, can get back into the action the fastest when it takes damage rather than needing to rely on engineers or a repair truck.

The thing also pummels infantry and can put up a reasonable fight against other mediums.

This comes from the OKW Panther thread when we went off on how unimpressive the Panther is.

Currently I feel the Panther is an inefficient unit only capable of bullying lesser vehicles that come earlier and even then it doesn't do that well, relying on the need of a spotter to be fully utilized with only 50 range leaving it in range of other long-ranged AT weapons if it has to come to the front-line which it will need to considering how much you're going to sacrifice if you dare to get it in 1v1 or 2v2(generally not viable). It does alright against heavies that have 40 range thanks to high penetration, but that is its only saving grace compared to the cheaper, more versatile T3 which fire more often and can ward off infantry at range.

The Panther, for Wehrmacht/Ostheer, you pay a premium for the tech and a tank that has decent armour and good speed, yet it lacks in its ability to actually hunt and kill tanks. It's not very accurate on the move and when coupled with its rather long reload of 5.8-6.7 with only 160 damage it can actually take some time to kill off tanks. And even with its good armour of initially 290, a few bad rolls can mean a badly damaged Panther since it only has 800hp until vet 2. And while having a larger hitpoint pool is good, it also takes longer to get back into the fight, especially without vet 2 pioneers.

Maybe reducing its cost or the teching cost to get it for Ostheer would make it more viable, but even then I generally don't find it impressive. It just doesn't kill tanks that well considering what you're paying for tech and the tank itself to do a job that Panzer IVs can generally do which can have more impact since it comes earlier, not when all the heavy AT starts hitting the field.

I don't play OKW much so I'm not sure if changes to the Ostheer panther would apply to them, but I would like to see one or two of the following if the balance team ever looks at the Panther

1) Lower the teching costs involved in getting this thing out, possibly the base price.
2) Decrease the reload time on the gun. This would make it better against mediums which is what it usually faces making the extra penetration not as useful.
3)Make it more accurate on the move to allow it to be a more mobile tank destroyer

Hardly a bug, it's intended. If the Pak43 couldn't shoot through obstacles, there would barely be any places to put it except in the open leaving it pretty vulnerable which it already is given it has giant arrow over its head saying, "Bomb me!".

Could we maybe add some fuel cost in exchange for manpower? The howitzers also need this since saving up manpower isn't easy late game given how fast it can disappear in reinforcing your troops or buying units that aren't at risk to being one-shotted by off-maps because they can move.

P4, unless it's blocking from the rear, will not kill the KV-8 in a reasonable amount of time, especially not from the front.

If someone went KV-8, he should also have his Zis guns nearby.