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Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2014, 18:15 PMwooof

soviets have shocks and guards (and in a way, penals) to serve as elite infantry. relic has repeatedly said that cons are not meant to scale well into the late game. if you want to improve that, you can get ppsh. otherwise, you start replacing them with shocks for close range or guards for long range.

Jump back to quoted post25 Jul 2014, 06:01 AMFestiveLongJohns

I disagree, contrary to popular belief, penals actually scale quite well at vet 3, and conscripts offer so much utility that IMO scaling them into elite infantry late game is overkill. Every soviet infantry squad has some sort of unique utility attached to them. Guards should not equal the combat effectiveness of obers, for example, because they have the added flexiblity of squad size, and button. Conscripts have the ever useful oorah, at nade, and molotov. Shocks are just monsters right now, and guards have the ability to dish out solid long range damage and act as soft vehicle cc. Soviet troops are extremely flexible and their squad size allows them to survive the late game. Buffing their scaling or damage output would put the faction even more over the top as they already have access to the widest range of heavy armor in the game.

• Scale well at Vet 3. Vet 3 being the key word. Getting to that point is very difficult and keeping them there is long. At that stage of late game play OKW mid-long range effective infantry are on the field. Getting to the sweet spot to apply the penal's damage involved absorbing shots from that infantry. They don't have armor value and they become a MP sink. I believe this is why Relic has asked for the communities input in regards to long range infantry combat.
  
• On the subject of Conscripts I'd agree. They become useful for A/T nades and as such, in the late game, they are just a walking group of dudes servings up A/T nades. That is pretty sad.
  
• "Allows them to survive", that is about the extent of it I suppose. OKW infantry defeat the Soviet infantry while they are maneuvering into range to apply damage. The only exception to this is Guards which require a very expensive DP upgrade and are limited to commander call ins. Soviet long range effective infantry just don't really exist.
  
• Define heavy armor? The IS2 and ISU152. OST Tiger, Tiger Ace, Elephant. OKW JadTiger, King Tiger. Seems about equal.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2014, 20:55 PMCorp.Shephard

I think this test is extremely silly.


It's just not realistic and doesn't take advantage of the unique advantages of the Panther.