Are you sure? Do you have proof? Please link an article or legal document. Just kidding of course.
This has been a great read all day. I have learned all sorts of new things.
Please keep it going so we can forget, for a short while, what a complete mess Coh3 is at the moment.
What I keep seeing over and over is that no matter what side of an argument people are on, they all agree Coh3 is a steaming pile of maggot infested excrement. It is the glue that binds us against our common enemy.
Yuengling >> all other beers.
yuenglings all around.
and bud light spritzer for my buddy fantomasas |
Bud Light, anyone?
Know your audience! I can't force people to connect dots but unless there's some BBC/CNN article specifically stating it, many people want to pretend it doesn't happen. |
Please get some help. Seriously, you are pointing at the corporate reports on water usage, supporting causes, discussing carbon neutral offices, remote working, equal rights, legality of gambling, health related risks, mental health etc. I am looking at the same shit that every large company with shareholders publishers.
It is not that the investors or Sega doesn't exist, it is that you somehow adding the ends of CoH3 + Sega + Fund = Part of the woke/jewish/something plot. Linking random strings of data, glued by some podcasters. The shadowy cabal taking over or gayifying the world are incapable of drawing proper icons for abilities.
Please settle down. If this discussion is too much for you maybe you should find another topic. Acting overly emotional doesn’t make you right and I never said anything about a gay Jewish agenda.
The crux of the argument was that these IB’s (Blackrock, Vanguard,etc) hold a huge amount of power and do shape the final product, whether it is done directly or indirectly would be a question for SEGA/Relic.
It sure seems like Relic has been running more like an adult day care than an actual company looking to produce something of value. This is a combination (imo) of failure on a focal level (at relic) as well as activist investing pushing companies to hire based on quotas that have nothing to do with merit or skill. What you get is a half finished game.
ESG hasn’t always been the norm. So stop pretending companies always used to report this stuff. Allowing a multinational banking institution to set a social credit score for companies or they will be crushed is insane to me.
https://fintel.io/so/us/sgamf/blackrock-global-allocation-fund
One of many found in the 13Fs if you want to take the time to go through them. All traded OTC.
https://hbr.org/2022/03/an-inconvenient-truth-about-esg-investing
That article can articulate the point better than I. When you get involved with the ESG mafia, the product suffers.
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Can you quote me on where I said that ESG did not exist and were a conspiracy?
Sorry that was for fantomasas |
There's nothing spot on with cobras post. His posts are unfortunately often pretty incoherent rambling with no backup. Not all, but quite some.
Before we break it down, let's define that the main claim is that ESG (environmental, social, governance focused) investment leads to SEGA/Relic defining their products according to these values, which is the reason why the companies are not "healthy" in a classic economic way and ultimately why CoH3 is bad.
Point by point:
Two claims in here that have no backup, no source, not even a vague one claiming that's the case. For the amount of memes that are posted down below, why is there no source to the central two claims of the whole post?
Where's the analysis of how much investment firms have invested into Sega and or Relic under ESG rules? The last sentence can even be misread that BL and VG only invest according to ESG "guidelines". That's complete nonsense.
Next question:
Even without data, are these claims correct? The first one we can't tell yet, but it's also only April. There's no ESG related big downfall of the economy. For the time being, this is "waiting for happening" at best.
We've indeed seen layoffs in the IT industry, but without direct relation to ESG investments.
I'll collapse this since all of this is just throwing in the point that Relic ignored "red flags" followed by a lot of memes and a link to Wikipedia about "Malinvestment", which in turn is not linked to ESG investment. It proves nothing, it's just making the post longer and fakes some data or "being informed" about the topic. I'll jump to the last bit of actual content:
Is that true? To be honest, I don't know. It's a 1,5h youtube video/podcast. You can get basic insights into goals and problems of ESG based investment in a normal article read that takes 5-10 minutes. Read a couple, get opinions from multiple people in the financial industry. These could have been linked.
Instead, here's a 1,5h video where I get the opinion of 2 people only. Why? No one is going to watch it, and even if I watch it I have the opinion of exactly 2 people. It doesn't make sense, especially since Cobra assumes that he needs to explain what a malinvestment is. Why not link more basic stuff instead?
There indeed are problems with ESG funding.
Cobra claims, but can't link any of it to Relic or SEGA with the stuff he provides. It's just rambling for rambling's sake.
Sorry I didn’t realize we had people pretending ESG investing doesn’t exist or is a “conspiracy theory”.
Here is a link directly to the THOUSANDS of data points Sega must report on their end, reported and complied by…. SEGA.
https://www.segasammy.co.jp/en/ir/finance/esg/
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And the thing you guys get hung up on is a SP story about jews in benghazi and go woke go broke? Really?
I don't like being force fed all the woke sjw trash in my media either, but I think there are more sensible reasons for why the game is failing right now.
At this point you're just taking the complaints to a next level of being ridiculous imo. Which, if that is your drift, is fine by me. I get why you would be frustrated as avid fans of the franchise. I am too. I just don't think going there is gonna help your case in any way. Just some food for thought.
I was trying to show correlation between ESG investing and how it translates into games. I would bet money, the decision to focus the SP around that came from higher ups, once again, showing how ESG investing injects this shit into whatever the product may be. |
Lets take a minute to appreciate how SPOT ON this post was. I hate to use this cliche but it rings truer than ever. Go Woke - Go Broke.
As market conditions have tightened and with the money printers of central banks turned off (which were at an effective rate of 0% for 10 plus years) we now get to see which companies actually produce and make money. In business, you do this typically by creating a good product that consumers want and come back for. Not by taking a great franchise and putting moral exhibitionism as the forefront of your game. As much as I sympathize with the plight of the Jewish people, the last thing I think of when I ponder WWII in North Africa is the Jews of Benghazi...
Plenty of blame to go around between Sega and Relic. Sega has had financial issues and relying on ESG investing (which is literal cancer) to raise money, was most likely their only option. This is due to consolidation of institutional banking which I won't get too much into but the further we stray away from meritocracy, the more garbage the product is. See COH3.
Lets just take a snippet from Relic's About page:
'More than anything, you bring passion, empathy, and kindness to work every day, and you leave ego and cynicism at the door.'
This reads like the sign at my 5 year old daughters day care.
Not we want the best, hardest working, motivated... Passion, empathy and kindness. Hopefully you receive that on the streets of Vancouver when you beg for money.
Now I can't blame all of this on Sega/Relic, but when you take ESG money you also agree to their CES or Corporate Equity Score. This mean you hire people based on their race, gender, ideology or sexuality. Not based on your work ethic, professionalism, talent or skill. I have a hard time believing Relic put the best and brightest on this game. This game is unfinished, unpolished and frankly a slap in the face to all community members who put their own time and money to try and elevate this series. For me, the final straw was John's big announcement that left us a cliff hanger that maybe they would update the game graphics/textures/replays/etc.... no, we got a store...
Timing is everything and that timing was so piss poor, only a out of touch global conglomerate could have conjured it up.
Now I don't want to cry too much or sound too dramatic (this is a video game after all) but it is frustrating to see this franchise go down like that. Shout out to the community who seem to be putting in more of an effort to save this game. If Relic was smart, they would open this game up completely to the community and hopefully through modding they can salvage this once great series. At the behest of Relic, I just don't see it happening.
End of my rant, have a good day chumps.
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As someone who works in finance I feel like I can chime in on this.
ESG investing is literal cancer. It stifles innovation and robs us of many revolutionary products and ideas.
BlackRock (8 Trillion AUM) - yes 8 trillion are as notorious as they come.
We've had drug companies with brilliant breakthroughs on cancer treatments have their business destroyed and their products swept under the rug because a cabal of elite, wealthy, and powerful financial institutions weren't happy with the 'equity' on corporate boards.
When you wield that much power and money it stretches past companies and reaches governments as well. Pretty hard to get funding from an institutional bank to develop your nation if a certain set of ESG quotas are not met. The people/peasants are typically who suffers. (See Sri Lanka).
We need to get back to meritocracy and rid the world of this cancer. Its everyone's responsibility to stamp this practice out in any way we can. |
Getting there for sure.
Would like to thank Relic for taking the time to revisit these items, listening to the community and putting in the effort to make sure the release is as good as can be. |
It does seem like its unfinished.
Not sure why they set that release date. No one was expecting it that fast.
Take the time and get the game right please. |