Profile of skemshead

so we can experience even more MG spam in bigger game modes?

Some people simply cannot compete without mgs. Some people think the game would be better if every faction had mg in t0.

And I would agree with that for sure, The mortar, if it was needed for anything was build order luxury and diversification; replacing smoke with mortar, replacing fast flamer ass engy with mortar, replacing boring 4x rifle with mortar, etc. Not to neccessarily give usf something they never had or 'needed'(mg counter) because they obviously have vaulting, true sight, smoke, op light vehicles, etc.

Usf can counter mgs effectively without morter, although on some 1v1 maps it can be a real pain where you have to play significantly better ( micro wise ) than your opponent.

However, you will need smoke nades or flamers if Ost is camping buildings, meaning tech or doc choice to counter the 1st unit ost can build from t0 . Vehicles will counter mgs in the open, just like good flanking but can only be considered a soft counter to mgs in building, and in reality a light vehicle is better used elsewhere as an mg can simply stall in the house until support arrives taking relatively little damage or pop incendiary rounds once vet 1 and then counter its own counter.

Edit : The light vehicles I am referring to are M20 and Stuart. The M15A1 AA Half-track and M5 Halftrack are quite effective vs mgs.

The initial counter to mgs in buildings in coh1 was flamers. As the game progressed more options such as morter, sniper, m8 etc became availabe as usf teched. In coh2, if you want flamers you have to pick a doctrine which restricts usf options for the rest of the match and if your unlucky, as is often the case with assult engies your flamer will explode.

The issue is more about design failures.

Its not only the fuel to tech to nades but you don't typically have much muni either. A good player can make your early smoke/nade a very poor investment. Maps with critical buildings only complicate things because there's no guarantee for a nade to clear or even a damage unit.
Therefore, I think USF Nades are more for mid to late game, imo. This is due to the player having a small number of units on the field in the early game. A few units are much easier to micro and dodge. The mortar fills a gap for the USF core army.

As far as the tier goes, I think you are right. Also the pack howi, motor carriage and mortar feels redundant.

+1

Early nades will often bite you in the arse, especially if ost player not only survives with no unit wipes but teches quickly to t2.

So you are saying that he has 3 mgs in the field before you have rifleman in the field?

USF have easily 1 RE and 1-2 Rifles against the first mg & pio spotting, if it is failed you have again 1-2 re, 2-3 rifles against 1-2 mgs & 1-2 pios. If give OST a way to dig in somewhere they will, they should be harassed early on and their movement screened.

And seriously the firing pit nade is awesome, get one behind shot blocker that can bombard green covers and houses is a bless. They don't have anything appart mortar against it in tier 1.

Mg 42 cost 260.

Rifles cost 280.

Both are t0 units.

Usf will not out number ost early game.

If a rifle squad gets suppressed and another squad is not nearby to flank it has to retreat meaning ost has superior numbers in field. If a mg is in a house or soft retreats to a house the rifle squad cannot get it out of the house.

Fighting pit is a very short term counter ( in most instances ) that will in most cases be destroyed once any vehicle arrives which is simply a waste of mp.

For the record, i only go morter if ost is camping in houses and i want to wait on making a doctrine choice. Most times 1 morter is sufficient, but if the game becomes frustrating because there is 3 or more mgs on the field then i will go double morter.

I personally don't build MG at all before i am sure US player did'nt build mortar or i killed and denied his mortar.

The usual: Flank, or smoke and flank, or smoke bum rush it or smoke and nade it or flank and nade it.

My way: Build firing position behind shot blocker and bombard the mg with its nades. I love this ability, and hate it when i am on the receiving end.( Seriously nade dropping on your squads and you don't see the culprit is annoying , squad should yell grenade but they don't when it lands on their feet.)

Flanking 3 mgs is easier said than done especially against players with good mg micro. Upgrading to smoke will delay ambulance and tech and is no guarantee to work especially against houses. If you fail to push ost of the map he will have 2 AC out before you have a stuart and you've got no munis for mines or AT nades because they were wasted on smoke.

Smoke nades are a terrible choice when ost spams mgs because they are usually skipping t1, and you will be facing t2 units which nades are ineffective.

I just played some dude ranked about 150 as Ost who built 3 mgs, a gren, a morter, into double AC, then callin puma.

After building 3 rifles and upon seeing multiple mgs, I built double morter, then capt, stuart, and then 2nd stuart. I teched zooks in addition to deal with light vehicle. Game was over in about 12 mins

My opponent cried op the whole game.

Now I know the playerbase has gone to shit skill wise ( i am no great talent myself ) but given the current issues surrounding the usf morter i would have thought someone ranked that high would be capable of adapting.

Yes morters may be a little op atm ( particuly in pairs ) but they sure do shut shit like this down hard and rightly so.

Anyone who has any alternative ideas as to how i should counter this build and not rely on morters or doctrinal flamers or doctrinal mines, please feel free to comment.