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Nice try, 3/5 kappas for the intention.
PD: You forgot to mention soviet Engineers...oops sorry, COMBAT engineers.
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Stugs is a really good counter to T34 76s or 85s and a good AT source against heavier soviet tanks.
On the other hand stug-e....
Su76 is a glass cannon. You can make it work but it requires too much babysitting that it´s preferable to make other things.
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If TL;DR skip to happy faces.
I think similar ideas have already been discuss here. After the last patch, combining both last tiers has turn into something almost not possible. Even if it was harsh on the last patch, it was still a viable option for soviets to get both tiers if case you had chosen a Commander with no call ins.
Apart from that, i keep seeing further less n less love/use for the T70 and the Su76.
Seeing that the main focus relies on other issues, i still want this to be look up.
This is an idea, which probably in general or in part has already been suggested:
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☺ Reduce fuel cost of T3 and T4 from 140 to 90 (like in previous patch).
☺ Add an upgrade/building on the HQ which unlocks T34s on T3 and Katyushka n Su85 on T4. Cost for it: 50 fuel
- Getting a T34, Su85 or Katy remains the same while you can field it´s smaller brothers earlier to what you expect mid tanks to appear.
- Teching time remains equally as on this patch and still allows soviets to get on late-late game both tiers on a similar fashion to last patch.
- I think it´s easier to adjust effectiveness/price of M5 with Quad upgrade (and in a lesser way T70) in case they are overperforming for time of appearance and price. Since armor doesnt affect explosions (for grens and PGs new armor), Su76 and T70 performance should still be the same.
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I only think that MAYBE, the M5 could be an issue since the recent nerf on armor on grens and PGs. So it´s damage could be tone down a bit.
T70 + M5 counters are still there: Pak + faust, teller mine, shrecks, even now the 222 can pull a fight.
I don´t think anyones is annoyed by the Su76.
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I think its a bit too late since the thread derail into something else, but i have the same feeling.
Winning as soviets feels more rewarding than winning as Ost. In fact, i sometimes feel bad for my opponents : / |
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Improving micro/multitasking is something which is either natural or comes with lot of practice. Thxfully this isn´t a game which relies purely on APM (actions per minute). It helps but it isnt the most important thing.
Knowing the "flow" of the game, seeing what units and where they are for you to take advantage of is equally important.
1- Knowing the game. What abilities n units are good for and what/how they should be use against. WHEN they can arrive is also important.
2- Plan and specially adapt. No battleplan survives contact with the enemy.
3- Execution (micro).
4- Pray to the RNG gods, for shall they dictate the course of the battle.
5- Check what others people do, see through other´s perspective if something is giving you a problem.
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I am new to this forum and have signed up in frustration at this new patch. I am no noob, I know infantry move/cover tactics and I know how to use unit abilities and my unit micro management is good but I have to say post patch I think this may well be the most unbalanced this game has been.
For an example I had a late game engagement with two DP-28 equip vet 3 guards in heavy cover taking on 2 vet 3 grens with Lmg's that where not in cover. No nades were used by me or my opponent and my guards got totally wiped out!!! to make it worse I didn't kill a single gren!!! I mean that cant be right can it, I am half temped to send the footage to Relic and ask for an explanation from the balancing team but I can imagine what the response would be.
I am not saying this game was ever properly balanced post patch because I genuinely believe it never was, and thanks to the way they have designed the Russians it never can be, but I think they have seriously missed the mark here with implementing the weapon profiles.
Post replay. I can only think that the guards tried to dance dance either than shoot in order for that to happen (or you were moving them trying to fit better cover) |
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I don´t know what awesome micro some people here are talking about that you needed pre patch with germans.
Dodging Rnades <<<< Dodging Molotovs/Nades
Before patch they were just cost effective when you knew squads were bunch up together. Since theres no need nowadays for 120muni for FHT, LMG, Rnades are more predominant early game. With lolotovs even if you were hit (unless awesome crits or stupid IA trying to seek cover) you could just move out and be mostly unharmed.
Shocktroops to germans were what PG were to Soviets. PPSH run n gun is the CQC version of the G43 gren spam.
Sniper micro was the same for both (if they fixed the bugs regarding stunning and automatic shooting). German sniper was a mp bleeding while soviet sniper was forcing retreat. Sniper was the main reason you would get T1 (Penals not being worth the price n Scoutcar being the most gimmick thing) and this forced your tech meaning that a German player could easily take advantage of it.
MG vs maxim: i think we know which require more attention.
Tanks: we really need to discuss this ?
If nothing, the prior patch was more balance that what we have here and that was reflected on what i would see on the automatch on 1v1 and 2v2.
I regret not being able to see how the game would had evolved with this 3 things:
-increased health + armor + mp cost n reduce fuel on the AC
-no clowncar sniper
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-You got fausted.
-The guy was a retard (from what we saw in the chat)
-Grens engaging 1 by 1 against 2 penals n scoutcar in RED COVER. |
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Instead of a 50/50 situation i prefer to screen with something else, and have the M3 guards peak some shots. Their burst damage is higher.
What i´m trying to say is that the effort you need to put into the 222 isn´t comparable to the M3.
The resources/effort you need to destinate into each one to achieve comparable amount of damage or utility isn´t equal.
If you go with an M3 you have all the tools to deal with it either on T1 (faust or small arm fire) or T2.
If you go with a 221/222 you either get lucky with some mines or you force your opponent into teching AT nades, getting a doctrine with Guards or making a Zis Gun. Any situation is a win-win.
If you ask me, i would go for (not all) some of this changes:
-MP reduction/fuel increase. Some balance between 150-200MP/5-10
-Reduce size/increase armor. Just a small buff against small arm fires.
-Give it some upgrades (i want my ambulance M3, a man can dream).
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