Profile of wooof

• Price from 440 MP and 165 FU to 600 MP and 130 FU

(600-440)/440*100%=36.3636% increase in man power, 87.5% increase in man power you mad? some primary school math please?

considering he was responding to adamant's claim that p4 and panther have nearly the same price, he was obviously comparing the mp cost of the p4 and panther . (600-320)/320=.875 so no he is not mad and his math is fine.

panther speed should not be reduced. su speed should be buffed up. they reduced it too much. too much. the tank can barely move now, cant chase the panzer 4 its top speed is meager.

did you ever think that maybe a tank destroyer with no turret and 60 range isnt meant to chase down a p4?

I'm too lazy to get actual proof but enjoy.

http://www.twitch.tv/bigchunk1/c/2909387

Just trust me it works.

well this is fairly RNG dependent. technically, even a flame engi could beat a pgren if you get lucky enough. the only thing that would make either of these units win is flame crits. that RNG could easily work against you too though. if the pgrens get lucky and blow up your flamer, the soviets definitely lose that fight.

from http://coh2-stats.herokuapp.com/squads it shows at range 10 Gren squad do 15.0998DPS and Conscript Squad do 15.2381DPS before upgrades, so without upgrade Soviet Conscript Squad actually do little more damage, for other squads they are not really compareable as all other squads design differently but i will list their DPS at range 10 before upgrades, All DPS affect AI only not AT
PIO do 11.8892
Ospruppen do 12.1905 without coverbuff
Agren do 25.8462
Pgren do 53.1064 and will be half of it once upgrade to shreks
Combat engineer do 11.8892
penal do 34.6744
Guards do 22.1326
Shock do 40.8951

your combat engineer number is wrong. its correct on the site though, 10.16 dps. also, it seems there a mistake with guards. his number assumes guards have 6 mosins, which is incorrect. so that dps number is too high.

hopefully tensai sees this. id be very curious to talk about dps formulas with him. most of his dps numbers match our spreadsheet, but some are very off. im not sure who is right, but there seems to be an issue with burst weapons, but only some of them. shocks and pios match (or atleast very closely). pgrens and agrens are pretty different though. my numbers are 45.39 for pgrens and 28.21 for agrens.

im curious why some burst weapons match, some are high and some are low. i already double checked the pgren stats and they are identical, so the issue is in one of our formulas.

but back on topic about germans doing more dps, it is actually somewhat true. this isnt a very easy or fair comparison though because the only infantry that really mirror each other are cons and grens. osttruppen have good dps, but have the worst durability of any squad in the game. there is no counterpart to penals, but they have very good dps. shocks could be compared to pgrens, but shocks rely on their high armor rather than dps (which is enough to let them win against pgrens). guards also have much better durability than german squads to make up for their lack of dps.

He says his Zis shot 4 times at the Panther. You conclude that they penetrated. But in fact they may have been deflected. And that's where his problem is.

It can be very hard during battle to get a clear picture of these hits and misses. If you aren't observant enough - or aware of it - you may even miss it in the replay.

What he describes is perfectly possible.I've had similar situations happen a lot of time.

So the only question is really if the balance is right if you take the hits/misses into account?

a panther hit 2 mines, deflected 3 nades, deflected 4 zis shots, and didnt get finished off by an su85... either he has the worst luck imaginable, has horrible micro, or this story is exaggerated. the math doesnt even make sense for the panther getting vet 2 off 1 fight like that. sorry, i just dont believe it. there has to be more to this story.

even for the panther to escape at 50% hp after getting hit with all of that, its only possible if it had vet 2 to begin with. the story just doesnt add up. not to mention the fact that a panther takes a long time to decrew a zis 2 times.

even assuming this story is accurate, an engine damaged panther charging at a zis and su85 should end with a dead panther. back your su85 up. end of story.

telling relic which map it was, which base, and what spawn point would be helpful. also, if your team built their buildings in a way that blocks units in, it may have been entirely your fault.