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I would be more than happy to see the m8 make a triumphant return. If it does receive a series of buffs I would like to see the canister shot removed or toned down. Abilities like that should not be in this game. It sucked back in vCoH and continues to do so here.

Yea this ability is retarded, fix the m8 performance and then remove it.

On a general note, I would not use this unit/commander against okw.

They could reduce the cost of bars to 45 ammo and keep them around the same, but not bazookas, those things need fixing.

I think relic needs to decide what the role of this unit should be. A suppression tool on a scouting unit with great mobility is just too much.

Yes

Kubel was always a beast. But low hp and poor micro and poor overall appreciation of the unit made it suffer.


Now it's been OP as god for a while, people know just how good that suppression + mobility + no bleed is, and meta has evolved around its use. We know how to use it, pathfinding is (slowly) improving, and OKW all round buffs have made it a strong opening for an absurdly strong army in general.

I always used the kubel. The criticism it drew and the buffs mystified me. Everyone else now seems to be on my train of thought.

Yes some players used it very effectively even before the Spe 9th patch. It was most useful on maps with open cutoff/fuel like moscow or minsk.

People were not using it because they were told it sucks, due being op for a while they excessively were using it and now know how to play with it. It's pretty much what is was before, if you are still complaining it's op, you are clearly overdoing it.

plus a huge improvement to its movement because of pathing improvements and an increase to its range.

Isn't it something like: supression threshold is achieved on the move when a little amount of "proper" supression effect is done previously ?

essentially that is what is happening.

With Sep 24th patch relic reversed most of the changes that were introduced in the Sep 9th patch which made that unit so op. Nonetheless, the kubel is still op and still dominates the early game so much. On first thought this does not make sense, however there is one important change that was omitted, it effects all vehicles and its a good one, but it also unleashed the kubel's op side:

Pathfinding

Vehicles will now be better at driving through narrow passages, they will be less likely to get stuck
Vehicles will now be less likely to enter a tight spot, thereby reducing the occurrences of on-the-spot pivots
Improved the way three point turns are executed
Improved the way vehicles respond to facing orders

If you remember before the Sep 9th patch all vehicles suffered from very bad pathing problems. For example, when you ordered the m3 to reveres, it would move forward 4m and then start reversing. In the kubel case this was causing it to behave very erratically and often end up getting destroyed before it could get out of trouble.

Now that pathing was fixed its high stats make it very op unit. For example, its fast acceleration (4.5) makes it hard to flank, it's small target size (10) makes it hard to hit, and it's high sight (50) awards it sufficient awareness to never get in trouble in the first place.

The last patch has fixed some problem, primarily excessive damage and suppression on the move, but it's still an op unit. If relic wants to fix this unit they need to add a 10 fuel cost, increase its target size to 15, and reduce it's acceleration to 2.5-3.

I think with those changes this unit will be closer to balanced.

Ok, that clarifies everything, thanks.

To avoid any confusion I hope we can have an admin close this topic.