Thread: Meta21 Dec 2017, 15:55 PM
Grenadiers with G43 annihilate all living things now, all playing for the Wehrmacht, I saw only one person who played for OKW.
Which can also be a hint that OKW was overnerfed. Vet nerfs, vehicle nerfs, repair speed nerfs etc. etc.
Only had two games thus far (2x 2vs2 as Brits) and my opponents were all Ost. Not a single Panther was seen. People seem to be still hard pressed into Tier 3.
A bit early to predict meta but for Ostheer I'm pretty confident the meta is still Tier 3.
Btw..Why no changes to Panzerfüsiliers?
Why don't we delete Breakthrough doctrine from the game right away? I want to see the person that still considers the Jagdtiger now.
Horrible changes. Even Imperial Dane is irritated by the OKW and especially the Ostheer Panther nerfs. A shame that biased patchmakers can change the game to fit their needs. I trust a guy who casts Coh games for more than 5 years on a daily basis way more than some patchmakers who have even voiced their will to make Allied lategame superior on this forum.
Strangely the Stuka needs a nerf, the demo doesn't.
Emplacement cancer isn't adressed.
Obivously a biased patch.
So maybe it is in the good spot today but not the stug. The stug is overperforming, there is nothing new here. At the beginning it wasn't that good so the panther had is utility, now 2 stugs do better job than a panther.
The problem is not only located with the Ostheer, the SU-72 also does a better job in pack than the SU-85.
In synthesis, having units overlaping doesn't necessarily mean the most expensive one is crap, no, here the stug is overperforming.
Yeah, let's nerf Wehrmacht even further. The Panther doesn't perform, gets nerfed and thus the only efficient AT vehicle of the Wehrmacht also needs to get nerfed. What a logic. With the next patch Wehrmacht is not going to be able to compete. Elefants that have no use at all and Panthers that can't perform. tell me how that is going to work out versus superior Allied TDs and Comets. It won't.
Have you ever compared the panthers AI capabilities to the following units: EZ8, Pershing, Tiger, comet, cromwel, and heck even a p4?
On what basis do you judge the panther to belong in that list?
Is the su-76 a generalist aswell, seeing as it has AI capabilties with barrage and crush?
Same for the Stug and the Brumbar?
I'm trying very hard to be polite here, but this claim seems ludicrous to me, same as the claim the panther is " more or less good in the first place".
Gonne love the maxim changes tho.
As others have stated. Mr. Smith has no clue and can not accept good Wehr lategame.
Lol, this is downright pathetic.
Community complains the Ost Panther is too weak. Solution: Make the Panther weaker.
Allies dominate the early and mid game. Axis have lategame as saving grace. Solution: Make Axis lategame weaker.
A sad attempt of patching the game. And for some personal "glory" the guys responsible willingly sacrifice Coh2. Shame.
The mortar pit doesn't belong into the game.
If you want to tell me that this thing is even remotely fair, watch this video. No micro from the British players part, yet full effect. And it's not only that map. The mortar pit ruins gameplay in about half a dozen 2vs2 maps:
If CoH1 didn't have CoH1 snipers, the entire CoH1 Brit faction (sorry, it's completely unsalvageable) and PE blob veterancy & Panther spam, it would be the far most compelling game of the two.
So we prefer the Wehr Panther not being viable. Cool story, bro.
Imo you can't adjust the Jackson (a lategame unit) without adjusting the Wehr Panther (lategame unit of the weakest faction). The patch is deemed to fail thanks to the so called scope. I can't imagine that not at least a single person of the people responsible for the scope are reading this thread. The issue is well known.
Might aswell start a thread.
That unit isn't in the patch scope.
Why would I ever consider going for that unit while the Sturmgeschütz is doing the job better (and tbh is the only thing keeping Wehr in the game)?
Why is Wehrmacht - which is supposed to have an "additional tier" - stuck with a Panther that comes later than the OKW counterpart, yet is weaker (worse MGs, reload time, accuracy on the move, less vet)?
This unit needs something. It fulfills a role that isn't needed and can't fight anything effectively. It's also not going to be any more usfeul if every now and then an ISU or IS-2 hits the field. It still has a horrible rate of fire.
Do something about it. People are talking about the Wehr Panther for a year now.
That is probably the best that could have happened, imagine a nerf to the StuG without anything else. Oh well, since we all don't have the clarity of vision Relic has, I guess we can never know the true glorious masterplan they have for this game...
A nerf to the StuG would have killed Ostheer from the game. However not buffing the Panther keeps T4 out of the game.