Profile of Omega_Warrior

What about fixing OKW and Ostheer? Currently they're getting overrunned by allies.

Ostheer has one of the best designs in the game, and OKW isn't that bad either. This isn't really about statistical balance, but choices and variety. If you want to talk about their design go make a thread about it.

You don't have do, I mean, you could just leave it on AP. It's about the same effectiveness as the Panzer IV's gun against Infantry.

Panzer:
AoE radius:
2.5
AoE far:
1.875
AoE mid:
1.25
AoE near:
0.75
Reload:
5.3-5.7


Sherman:
AoE radius:
2.0
AoE far:
1.5
AoE mid:
1.0
AoE near:
0.5
Reload:
5.6-6.0

Seems worse to me so I have no idea what you are talking about.

What if instead of shifting the M20 and AT gun into T0 USF tech was just designed to be similar to PE tech?

What I mean by this is that T1 and T2 would both be buildable from the start of the game for relatively cheap (100-150MP/10-20FU) but the officer and M15/Stuart in those tiers would be initially locked. A USF player would have to spend additional MP and FU (200MP/30-40FU) to purchase the officer which would then unlock the M15/Stuart. T3 couldn't be upgraded untill a T1 or T2 officer is purchased and if relic wanted to adjust the arrival time of the sherman or jackson a similar tier/officer unlock scheme could be applied to T3 as well.

If you wanted to go further the pack howie could be replaced by a mortar in T2 and then shifted into T3 to act as a mobile barrage howitzer (no autoattack) in order to provide USF a rocket artillary equivilent late game.

The result of this change would be that USF would have early access to a MG/ATG/Mortar/M20 and could afford to have access to both tiers but would only be able to realistically choose one officer. The separation of officer and tier tech would also provide more levers for controlling unit/tier timing.

Not a bad idea. Pretty much a version of what they did to soviets to make side teching easier. Would probably work, though a tad bit complicated.

Only thing is even with the pack being made into a barrage unit, I don't see it being as powerful as actual rocket arty. T3 seems a bit late for it to come out.

from the way you describe it sounds very ironic...

Relic has had an absolute terrible history with designing the allied factions. They made sure as hell to make sure everything was weak and vulnerable, but heavily overstated their benefits. It was even worse so in the alpha. With things like a 40 fuel M10 that could only take like 2 hits, a 135 fuel sherman that was worse at everything then it is now.

The soviets were even worse when they first came out, but atleast they didn't act like they were good at things they weren't.

Atleast they seemed to have learned their lesson with the brits. Thier design is pretty solid. Except for maybe their lack of any mobile indirect.

It's great to see USF's core finally having the power to be a good strong faction. Unfortunately USF's design is still very wonky. Restrictive teching and lack of diversity still makes USF a rather boring and unappealing faction to play. I think that it's time to give USF the same kind of treatment that the soviets received and make some changes so that they have the versatility and veriety Relic originally advertised them having.

1. M20 and At gun moved to HQ and locked behind any officer tech

2. Mortar added to T0 (fast set up time, accurate, low RoF, vet 1 flares)

3. Pack Howitzer changed to barrage only, stats changed accordingly

4. Buildable weapon caches for RE for 50 manpower


Description:

1. No faction should ever be without their AT gun. They are a important unit necessary to stay in the game without an armor advantage. Having it locked behind an optional teir is far too restrictive, especially for a faction that so heavily relies on it's ability to adapt. A large reason why the lieutenant is currently underused.

The M20 should also see the same. Partially so that USF actually has access to their only mine layer, but also so that neither officer becomes more desirable over the other. A cheaper cost and faster mine laying speed would also help it act as a true utility vehicle. Hopefully we might see this unit being used later in the game specifically for it's access to mines.

2. USF has extremely little opening variety. A mortar would allow them a more conservative opening and allow them to counter MGs through manpower instead spending a decent amount of fuel and munitions on upgrading and using the grenades upgrades. Should be mobile with more emphasis on supporting rifles with smoke and flares, then actually doing a ton of damage itself, much like the rest of USF design.

3. With the addition of a mortar, the pack howitzer no longer would have to fill the role. It could then be used instead a source of heavier indirect that USF is currently lacking outside of it's infantry company. Unique in that it would be available earlier, and hit a bit weaker then most other factions rocket artillery. But would help cover the role that USF is sorely lacking right now. And Being able to reposition between barrages and do burst damage, would fit USF design far better then it's rather static and defensive current role. And being able to move it won't become immediately useless if your opponent gets a stuka or panzerwherfer on the field.

4. A simple ease of use change, to simply give USF a way to upgrade out in the field, especially useful in those large team games where going all the way back to the base can take a long time. A weakness that is especially bad for the supposed "mobile" faction.