@s73v0: german scoutcars will lose badly to conscripts with AT nade due to the small arms fire change. They're strong at range but squishier than ever. Definitely not viable for me to spam, but maybe some micro god like Hans could be lethal with them en masse. Jury still out. Bottom line is they're only multi-purpose when upgunned at a hefty 70 munis, VERY squishy, but actually a worthwhile unit past early game if you keep them alive. |
Having played a few games since the patch hit, all of what Nullist said is true:
T34s beat Stugs if both unsupported, SU85 is still a powerhouse (though people don't tend to use the focus sight sight much so not *quite* as strong), KV8 is an unfaustable monster, pak40s are lucky to get vet 1.
However, there are some really nice changes, especially small arms fire at point blank range doing way more damage (helps germans vs flame cars and sovs vs mg42s) and the map vetoes. Oh and upgunned german scoutcars eat snipers alive. :-) |
@ akula: yeah it does the good dmg of the vanilla scout car, plus the pox dmg of the upgun. So yeah slightly more. Still fragile as all hell though, but a viable unit outside of just countering clown cars (which was badly needed). Cons with AT grenade kill it in 2s flat if it tries to close with them, which is fair enough. |
On the other hand, the german scout car is now *very* good, using clown cars is as dangerous as it should be! |
Having played a couple of games since patch, cons and even vanilla engies do really good dmg at point blank now, so while it is still extremely hard to flank an MG42, when you do, a molotov and rifles will kill the whole crew if they don't retreat immediately. Ppshs rape now at point blank too. |
Noticed the same thing when I loaded it up after patch. Haven't tried restarting. |
Sort of ruins soviet flavour too if maxim had a 4 man crew. I'd be in favour of reverting either dmg or setup time nerfs (but not both). Honestly if MG42 wasn't so powerful people might see that maxim isn't that bad. |
As far as insults go, its pretty tame to call someone insane. Check out the official forums if you want to see insults. I would have said moving LMG to T3 was possibly the worst suggestion ever. There, that better? |
Mmmm, maybe reduce suppression by 10% so that with bulletin it ends up where it is now (without bulletin). I agree with Nullist that its a broader issue, not sure if minimum range is the answer, but in general small arms TTK doesn't reward flanking. I like the idea of it not auto-targeting but I think this would require a ton of reprogramming and would never happen. What about if they reverted the change from a couple patches ago where they increased its ability to pin nearby squads? |
@ Mauser: Brummbar 520/170 (and T4), KV8 375/135!
(This said Brummbar is awful for price and nothing should be balanced around it tbh. But it is also a dedicated AI heavy tank). |