Meanwhile the Russians only need to spend 20 munitions to get PPSH's per squad. Which is never an issue since you always float munis as sovjets
I never float munitions as russkie, and 20 munition come with 2 ppsh instead of 6. |
The leFH105 has only 25sec of cool down between two volley..... it is very powerful compare to 90sec cool down ML-20, both T-34 series and IS-2 need some love, tiger price reduction indeed,but for balancing purpose, high-end tanks should build T3 or T4 building to unlock.
BTW, I don't mind pay 30 doller extra for a dedicate server |
Not referring to support mate, of course you have to support tanks, that goes without saying.
I'm stating that the tiger sucks and I am by no means alone on this matter, this opinion is shared by many pro players as well. Elefant is way better and comes roughly the same price as a tiger. Hell, even a panther is a better investment than a tiger at a fraction of the cost, and it actually pays for itself.
Speaking of costs, by all means make the is-2 a bit cheaper than the tiger, thats totally fine by me. Even increase it's AT a bit. Just remember the is-2 is not a "russian tiger". It has a different role and place in the game. It is currently underpowered, i fully agree. But both the tiger and IS-2 needs attention from devs.
Tiger is underpowered?
This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHyhVQ6axr4
and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERrqSooHgK0&feature=youtu.be
if you're not a hardcore reich fanboy.....you'll feel sorry for the IS-2....
please remember, IS-2 costs 20MP/50Fuel MORE than a Tiger.
Notice: There's crew shock effect in the video, that means it implies recent patch changes (June 13 the tank balance change) |
Stug murders entire soviet T3 if there's Grenedier or PG by its side |
Agreed, at least some hot-fix to the most abused abilities for nearly 3 months, I don't like "we are working on it", sounds exactly like that old bad SOON™
This game has its potential, but currently it is lacking many things that is necessary
(lobby,ladder, ranked map pool, anti-cheat, frequently balance update and so on)
... hurry please......player base is decaying..... |
Von Manstein I can't agree more. Both tanks are over-priced and underwhelming. I'd say, give the IS-2 more at, and give the tiger more damage and range. Tiger shouldnt lose to su85.
Tiger should win 1v1 vs IS-2, but IS-2 should have better AI.
That being said, the devs have to think about overall balance and not just the two tanks in isolation..
Your logic:
1.Tiger should get MORE DAMAGE and RANGE
2.Tiger should not lose to SU-85(since when it lose to SU-85 if you support it)
3.Tiger is 20MP/50(!!!) Fuel CHEAPER than the IS-2, and comes with almost every useful commanders, and Tiger should WIN 1v1 IS-2
4. Tiger should bla bla bla
very fair and unbiased, and very cool |
I agree, the soviet doctrines are boring...... and German doctrine are not that boring....most doctrine is just switch some of the abilities......
very "creative, worth 2.99 USD"
For most useless commander: NKVD doctrine..... |
so you'll have to pay 200 munition to prevent the strafing run........
for a short period.... |
To quote wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iosif_Stalin_tank
"
German Army data on the penetration ranges of the 122 mm A-19 gun against the Panther tank showed it to be much less effective when the Panther stood at a side angle of 30 degrees to the incoming round: the A-19 gun was unable to penetrate the glacis plate of the Panther at any distance, and could only penetrate the bottom front plate of the hull at 100 m.[4] It was the large HE shell the gun fired which was its main asset, proving highly useful and destructive in the anti-personnel role. The size of its gun continued to plague the IS-2, and the two-piece ammunition was difficult to handle and slow to reload (the rate of fire was only about two rounds per minute). Another limitation imposed by the size of its ammunition was the payload: only 28 rounds could be carried inside the tank.[5]
. The gun was very powerful, and while its 122 mm armour-piercing shell had a lower muzzle velocity than similar late-issue German 75 mm and 88 mm guns, Soviet proving-ground tests established that the A-19 could penetrate the front armour of the German Panther tank,[3] and it was therefore considered adequate in the anti-tank role.
"
True, It could maybe penetrate a panther. Nowhere in that article does it say it could penetrate a tiger (especially from the front).
And where on earth did you hear a tiger couldnt penetrate an is-2 at point blank range? That is a ludicrous statement. Again, quoting wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.8_cm_KwK_36
see the part on the Pzgr. 40 (APCR).
This round used in tigers could punch trhough 171mm sloped armor at 100 metres, and 123mm sloped armor at 1500 metres. The IS-2 had 120mm armour max. see earlier link on is-2. Thus a tiger could penetrate an is-2 at 1500 m.
So you my friend should also google before you post.
The IS-2 was able to kill tanks, sure it might be able to joust with a panther head on. But it was not in any way a match for a standard tiger(nevermind KT) in battle. It was better suited as a breakthrough tank to kill infantry and entrenched positions.
The soviets had other hard counters to tigers in real life: ISU-152 (and SU-152 not in game currently). go google it.
World breaking record, tiger I is able to penetrate JS-2 mod 1944 120mm armor at 1500m!!? Reich fanboy won the two world war
BTW, 171mm sloped at 60deg that is equivalent to nearly 340mm armor, which is the frontal protection level of soviet post war second generation t-64A tank, cheers for the reich which lasts 10 thousand years |
Here are some quotes from the ever reliable wikipedia if you don't believe me about the role of this tank:
"German Army data on the penetration ranges of the 122 mm A-19 gun against the Panther tank showed it to be much less effective when the Panther stood at a side angle of 30 degrees to the incoming round: the A-19 gun was unable to penetrate the glacis plate of the Panther at any distance, and could only penetrate the bottom front plate of the hull at 100 m.[4] It was the large HE shell the gun fired which was its main asset, proving highly useful and destructive in the anti-personnel role. The size of its gun continued to plague the IS-2, and the two-piece ammunition was difficult to handle and slow to reload (the rate of fire was only about two rounds per minute). Another limitation imposed by the size of its ammunition was the payload: only 28 rounds could be carried inside the tank."
From the section on the operation history of this tank:
"The IS-2 tank first saw combat in early 1944. IS-2s were assigned to separate heavy tank regiments, normally of 21 tanks each.[12] These regiments were used to reinforce the most important attack sectors during major offensive operations. Tactically, they were employed as breakthrough tanks. Their role was to support infantry in the assault, using their large guns to destroy bunkers, buildings, dug-in crew-served weapons, and other 'soft' targets. They were also capable of taking on any German AFVs if required. Once a breakthrough was achieved, lighter, more mobile T-34s would take over the exploitation."
Bold added by me.
It's proven very effective against most contemporary axis armor except for king tigers, giving it the relatively low rate of fire makes sense, but giving it same damage output as a PZIV is a bad joke from dev, sorry for the rudeness, I've argue with this else-where while some one states out it cannot deal with tanks&it is only a infantry support tank. |