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Really? Because to me that sounds super similar to the Deadbolt situation; directly tied to an account with a history of maphacking.

Raz == Dbmb == Zed03

Deadbolt =\= Seeking

Regardless of Seeking playing on the account, they're not the same person in the way that Raz WAS Dbmb and Zed03.

Thx for doing this.
Since i had no time i just went to the bottom. Tho i knew already what you will say / what's your opinion about seeking is.

Which number is the sniper action on eindhoven? Seeking wehrmacht.

I miss the whole section about the looking in fow difference between stream games / ref watching him and the off stream games.


I had the same idea about watching other replays. I did that already in past with my own replay. I use wasd / arrows for the camera. But i almost never look in fow.
About your links at the end. What is the sense?

1. What is your point there?
2. Wehrmacht panther has scopes i guess so he saw the at guns before.
3. The "building" from the pathfinder showed momo the sniper on the minimap

Nobody would say based on any of this clips that there was cheating... Imo there is a huge difference between seeking stuff and your 3 links. But again i had also the idea about if someone could do it with other topplayers. Curious what you will find. Must be new replays and in a short duration


ML4 vs noggano and devm were in Cup games without a ref. So there is the motivation.
Why in automatch? They were training for the comming 2vs2 cup. One could say he made it to make a psychical pressure on other teams. If you lose every time or very often vs a team already in automatch, you are more scared in cups vs this people. You start losing a fight, if your brain is already thinking that you lost.

--> So all in all. Thank you for doing this. But this looks for me onesided from you. Which is ok, if you want to make your standpoint stronger and clear.

P.S on my document there is a link to most of the replays(as you asked for replays)

You already knew what I would say because of my opinion of Seeking? I barely know him. I've never played with or against him (that I know of/remember) and have only cast a few of his games during one of Currahee's tournaments. But all right.

Do you mean the sniper going for a counter snipe with the recon run on Eindhoven? Maybe I can dig up the replay or get a longer clip of that but I'll try to add it tomorrow if I have time.

I would have to look at any difference in the way he plays/looks into the fog at another time. This document was already quite time consuming and I don't have to time to dig deeply into that right now. Maybe I can tackle it another day if people are interested. I have looked at it briefly, but it is going to be difficult because some clips are played at 1/4 speed, some at half, some at normal, some at 2x, etc. Also people are going to play differently in a tournament setting versus automatch or scrim games.

Just because you never look into the fog with WASD doesn't mean other people won't. This is a non-starter kind of point to make. It's not like every tactical map player plays exactly the same. Me mentioning the WASD camera movement was to point out that his camera movement will naturally look different than a tact map player, and since he has to order units on his screen (rather than tact map or minimap), he's going to "look" at the fog more... not because he's looking - because he's ordering movement. There are numerous examples of: look at a spot, 0.5 seconds later a nearby unit is moving towards that spot.

As for the links at the end, I'm not accusing anyone of maphacking, I'm just pointing out some moments that *could* be taken as suspicious to show that weird things happen in CoH2. In the first clip the REs are a pixel outside of MG range, if some one were actively looking for map hack evidence, they would probably point to this. You are adding the context of spotting scopes to the panther in the second clip. If we had only seen 10-15 seconds of a dive bomb landing on cloaked AT guns, it might look suspicious. Again, you're adding context to the third clip - which is exactly my point. Out of context, benign things can look suspicious when in reality they aren't.

Correct, the motivation would be there for tournament games, but those seemed like the least suspicious clips (except MAYBE the AssGrens sprinting). I was saying that most (not all, just most) of the evidence used comes from automatch where there would be little to no motivation. A tournament veteran shouldn't get "psyched out" by losing some games (they won some games too from what I understand) in automatch. That argument is borderline conspiracy theory territory.

I'll see about going through the google doc now that you added the replays (much appreciated by the way). Unfortunately the naming convention is awkward so it would take some time to get to a specific replay.

Not everyone has good memory for coh2. That being said one must take into account what the real reason was behind the katy /brummbar firing

Yup. You can even expand it further. Not everyone has a good memory period. Not that this is a court of law by any means, but that is why no lawyer will ever suggest speaking to the cops (even though the cops lie and tell you that it will help - it won't) because you could remember something wrong or the cops could remember something that you told them wrong. In either case you can end up looking bad even if there was no reason to look bad in the first place.

I'm not blaming Brosras or suggesting that he did anything out of malice, but it would have helped a lot if we had more context for most/all of these clips from the outset.

I have a feeling based purely on the 2v2 clips of seeking and kimbo playing together, that some of the actions may have been influenced by kimbo asking seeking to fire/move at a certain location where he sees/senses something was present on the battlefield, as we only see the fog of war for seeking, not Kimbo, in these clips. Both were present on voice chat for almost all 2v2 clips as well. I think getting Kimbo's two cents (although he has a troubled past due to the Tightrope tourney smurfing controversy) would give us some of the missing pieces to the puzzle of suspicion, and clarify why seeking made some of those gameplay decisions (like the t70 clip).

Seeking and Kimbo would have the same line of sight/fog of war though, because they're on the same team.

One thing that might be worth considering, based on more clips and some of Seeking's streams that I watched, is the way he moves his camera (with WASD) is different than most/all other top players. Because he tends to move his camera to a spot, and then order units/vehicles to move to that location, he's naturally going to spend more time panning his camera around or "looking" into the fog than a player who frequently uses the tactical map would. Food for thought at least.

While I agree that the accusations probably shouldn't have been made public, just the boosting speaks volumes to his character and is ban-worthy all by itself. Are you really here to defend boosting?

No. I'm not here to defend anything or anyone. I made that pretty clear. I didn't even bring up the boosting because this thread isn't about that but since it has been mentioned - obviously the boosting isn't good but it's also unrelated to the reason he has been barred from participating in ML events and not nearly as despicable as maphacking (if that part is true).