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Seeing the first replay, there is clearly still a problem with those US nades raping everything, the fallschirmjager ones not effective and the one shot squad wipe from us mortar |
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You should compare it, thats a big thingy in art-theory at the moment. The older (by this I mean soon dead) artforms as litterature, opera, and mozart makes the spectator passive, while the newer ones as videogames makes the spectator to a gamer. In some sense the gamer has a bit more of freedom to interact (produce)with the art she is consuming. So politics and art are nearly related.
Art is also in some sense propaganda (partial), I dont want to know what COH has done to my conception of war.
Soon dead ? Passive ? Stop saying random shit please. I accept all arguments but just not nonsense.
If active mean "huuuuu click click" on a button, then understanding an opera is 10000x times above this.
However, the thing that makes an opera a hundred times better than a video game would ever be, is because people can't modify it. Guess why ? People are retards 90% of the case compared to the one who is making this art. And I would not let an average opera listener modify anything in an opera unless I want it to become pure shit.
Just learn to be humble and don't state false things on opera as you clearly never truly listened to regularly. It is quite crazy how people only see from their point of view : you are in a game forum, so all people state that gaming is an art, you are in a dildo forums, all will say "yeah putting stuff in your arse is an art, Mozart will soon be over" ? I love both video games and classical art, I'm really interested in both, I spend my days on both of them, but I would not even under torture say that the video game thing is a serious art, unless some genius make something revolutionary. |
Music is very much technically understandable. Classical music in particular conforms for the most part to some pretty clear rules. You appear to still be confusing preference with superiority so we can end this conversation.
- First point : it's just false, if not, that would mean everybody could be a Mozart by just following rules of harmony.
- Second point : you are the one stating that superiority is subjective while its obviously objective, in terms of art. That does not mean that you can't prefer something that is inferior, which is your right. But just don't compare Mozart and the actual production of video games. |
Your definition of the word best is what's "egoistic". If a farmhand would rather listen to a local man's rendition of an old folk song than Chopin, does that mean you have better taste than him? Or is it perhaps simply that you grew up in an educated household where you were taught to appreciate all the old dead white guy art.
If there is less creativity and/or high quality art in the modern era (which I personally agree with but can rarely be demonstrated objectively), that is a separate issue from whether or not video games are a valid artistic medium.
Look at it this way: A lot of Mozart is technically less complex than programming unit AI. If someone gets as much joy from microing units as you do from Mozart, which is best?
Of course farm music is inferior to Mozart, that does absolutely not mean that it is something you should mock. I appreciate a lot "peasant" culture, as my ancestors are ones, however i would never state that it is something as wonderful as a Stravinsky opera.
People nowadays just can't admit that there is things superior and things inferior. Not everything is the same value, that doesn't mean it is shit.
Moreover, what makes a beautiful opera better than programming is that all the difficulty is in the fact that the "thing" that make your arm's hair erect is not even written. It comes from something that is not technically understandable, and "this" is art. |
People said the same thing about Vincent van Gogh work when he was alive.
You never know what will become a classic, what will looked back on as the defining piece of its category.
Video games are a combination of several art forms and some of the greatest concept artists, story tellers and composers in the world today work on them.
Ok, let me be more clear in my statement : i don't say that video games could not be an art. But, as the world is going, focusing only on pure money, it won't. We had real beautiful art back then before, because there were noble people who didn't care about making money, and just payed talented people to make them pieces of art (which they did). With the profit-minded society of today, with peasants CEO of companies that just want to make money like relic, this will never happen, sadly.
Of course video games could be awesome, everybody here have at some time thought about a video game of dreams, that will never happen because there is not enough 12 yo fags paying DLC's with their laxist parents credit card, that would play it.
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It is perfectly conceivable that, in the future, a true once-in-a-generation creative mind ends up at a video game studio and creates a game that changes the way people think. Games like Black and White arguably have done it to some extent in a small percentage of people.
Video games are a unique medium in that the player shapes his or her own experience; this may make video games ultimately more influential on people's lives than any other form of art. And while we're talking about other forms of art, let's not forget that a lot of video games have original scores. Most of them are not that great yet, but as less and less people care about the Opera, the new composers will have to go somewhere else, and why not Relic?
The notion that one form of art is superior to another is elitist nonsense.
Art has nothing to do with audience. Even if no one is listening to opera (which is not true i can assure you) it will still be dimensions ahead of video games. Of course video games could be great, but show me something which matches the art of Mozart, Chopin etc. ...
And elitism is just loving that the best prevail, fighting elitism is just when you're shit and you don't want that better things go faster, that's egoistic and harmful for everyone. |
Video games are an art form equal to panting, opera and literature and seeing as the video games industry is bigger than movies, books and the music industry combined it is not a minor culture, it is massive and like other forms of art or sport it brings people together who share a love for it and removes boundaries.
Sure, it is a political stunt but if it gets people interested in politics and it is not just one party then I am all for it.
Are you trying to say that a video game could be ever equal to an opera of Tchaikovsky ? Ahahaha. I love video games, but just stop pretending that is is something it is clearly not.
Your part on the "its bigger" clearly shows that you misunderstood my statement on the difference between quality and quantity (which have nothing to do with). |
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This is just another way for politics to get into a big audience. Politics should not interfere with such minor culture that video games are, and should take care either of true one like opera, painting, literature (no, not comics & co.), or true problems.
Swedish is one of the worst countries in this current hype shit of politics acting like retards in order to get people thinking "oh man they are so cool i'll vote for them".
Politics don't have to be cool, it have to be like a good father : slapping you when you do bad, and rewarding you when you act good. And not acting like "don't do your homework and go buy ice cream". This should not cost any public money, or at least really few, as all minor things deserves compared to country's problems.
I mean what the hell does gaming and voting have in common ? Its purely an interested move to gain the "gamers movement" into their pocket and this is ridiculous and an inappropriate interference in order to make people vote for them just because they sponsored a gaming tournament, and not for what they will do for the country. |
if you're that sensitive why are you playing a game where limbs can get blown off in every direction and women snipers sometimes make terrible screams when they are killed
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