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Thread: How to deal with supported KV8 in 1v1?18 Aug 2013, 03:29 AM For sure, but I tend to prefer the pzgrens / pak route to deal with any armour with the ostruppen active when large engagements happen. I try to spend the fewest amount of munitions possible early game to get those early shreks out. Also, they tend to wreck early scout cars (they in my opinion are a WAY better counter than the german upgunned scout car). You can put them in really sneaky spots using true sight and lure the scout cars in. If your opponent doesn't attack, then you just sit on your fuel. Also, if you let your opponent roast / snipe your grens and make sure to not lose any squads you can pump out 2-3 ostruppen per use, which is really hard to counter IMO. All ostruppen have fausts. I have to note this is a muni heavy strat. But I tend to use them to stall KV-8s until I can get my panther out and keep popping relief infantry. if you lose your munis you're boned however. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How to deal with supported KV8 in 1v1?17 Aug 2013, 20:40 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Aug 2013, 17:44 PM=][=mmortal if you can afford panthers... you can afford a couple extra p4s to flank the enemy tank and keep control of the map earlier in the game. I dont believe in pretty much ever getting tier4 in a 1v1 unless you have complete map control from tier 1 and you want to troll them. the real issue is probably that you didnt have good momentum before the kv8s come out. mines placed at chokepoints the entire game, p4s, a pak of your own and playing aggressively throughout the game is necessary. if you wait until enemy heavies start coming out and looking for a counter, you are just delaying the inevitable. you have to build early momentum and use combined arms to stay competitive I agree with the momentum part. But I'm going to say on a whim that having a well microed panther is a lot scarier than having 2 p4's. Yea, you can flank but a good opponent will lay mines and the potential for hitting them can be high (sorry I said button I forgot that this doctrine does NOT have guards), This being said, a p4 cannot take on either of these tanks head on, but the panther can do this all day. You have to be careful of course, he's not invincible. I think the problem is people are "afraid" to go tier 4. So many people are in this "I need a panzer 4 NOW" mindset that you're actually putting yourself at a disadvantage. Your opponent will say "He will go tier 3 of course, everyone does" Just like you assume they will get snipers and su-85's. So... I usually have an "extended" (not sure what the norm is yet) tier 1 > tier 2. So 4 Grens, 1 MG. I then build a panzer grenadier squad and upgrade them with shreks and / or a pak if I really need to keep armor at bay. I then use the ostruppen doctrine to punish quick sniper kills from my enemy. Also, ostruppen may be helpful in battling the kv-8 as if he's melting your infantry you will start flooding the battlefield with cheap infantry and since they are cannon fodder you can use them to disable the kv-8 rather than your grens / panzer grens. If you then get out your tier 4, you have tons of expendable troops, and a panther which can RUSH ( if you feel frisky) the su-85 and kill it easily when the opportunity arises and it makes mincemeat of the kv-8, there is no competition between the panther and these two tanks. I say panther because it nullifies both tank pretty heavily. Also, I edited the crap out my post, wrote it when I first woke up and it was full of mistakes, my bad. Also, just for some math if you're interested: So assuming you go Battle phase 1> 2> 3 like I propose to get you a panther, it will cost you total: + Tier 1 infantarie Kompanie: 80 mp / 10 fUEL + Battle phase 1: 200 MP /25 Fuel + Tier 2 Leichte Mechanized Kompanie: 120 Manpower / 15 Fuel + Battle phase 2: 200 MP / 35 Fuel + Battle phase 3: 200 MP / 50 Fuel + Tier 4 Heavy Panzer Korps: 160 Manpower / 30 Fuel +Panther: 440 MP / 165 Fuel -----Total----- = 1400 Manpower = 330 Fuel Battle phase 1>2> 2 Panzer IV's + Tier 1 infantarie Kompanie: 80 mp / 10 fUEL + Battle phase 1: 200 MP /25 Fuel + Tier 2 Leichte Mechanized Kompanie: 120 Manpower / 15 Fuel + Battle phase 2: 200 MP / 35 Fuel + Tier 3 Support Armor Korps: 160 Manpower / 25 Fuel + (x2)Panzer IV: 640 MP / 230 Fuel -----Total----- = 1400 Manpower = 340 Fuel So believe it or not, the panzer Iv's actually cost a bit more fuel. Of course, the panther will hit a bit later than your first panzer IV, but take into account that your opponent may build an SU-85 regardless of seeing armor (which is very popular). On top of this, the ostruppen doctrine comes with a mortar halftrack (which may make this strat more expensive of course) but it can help to counter snipers and any AT gun creep. I've found these combined tactics wreck kv-8 play. Just my opinion. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: A feel for ranks/ladder17 Aug 2013, 07:02 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Aug 2013, 06:46 AMZ3r07 So what do you guys think about the ranks ? What do you consider a top, very good, good, average, casual, bad, very bad or new player in terms of rank ? I don't think rank is too important, but for being a hypocrites sake I'd say that I consider a "good player" anyone around my skill level. What I mean by that is good = fun and competitive. Very good = someone i'm going to sweat against and likely lose and top is just the guys you expected at the top of the leaderboard. But I like to consider these "classifications" as more personal rather than some overall system like the top 1000 is good and so on and so forth. If you catch my drift. In: Lobby
Thread: How to deal with supported KV8 in 1v1?17 Aug 2013, 06:55 AM A p4 can brawl with the kv8 but if I sense that tank coming into play from the soviets I will try (keyword try) to get out tier 4 and a panther. it can also take on a kv8 and an su-85 if micro'd correctly. Also the kv8 is an instane crit machine at the moment so i've noticed most rus players just rush it in like you said. I lay a nice teller and lure it into some sort of trap. If you give your opponent something to go after infantry wise (maybe make a sniper and stick around the teller) that might give you a nice attempt to destroy the tank. Right now I feel like it's OP so I mean honestly it's something you'll just be dealing with temporarily. I'd be really surprised if they didn't patch this thing. Edit: Also tier 4 will give you some panzerwerfers, pretty underused unit probably because of the cost of tier 4 that can stop that AT creep. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: lang winter16 Aug 2013, 04:54 AM yep In: Replays
Thread: Trouble playing as Soviets on Langreskaya Winter16 Aug 2013, 04:33 AM I usually go 3 conscripts > engineer > 120mm mortar > tier 3 Doctrine= one with guards / mortar / t34/85's. The idea behind the 3 conscripts is pretty straightforward, capping and harassing. I try to use the buildings as much as possible due to their current strength to stall my opponent. When my first engineer hits depending on where my current one is (like if he's in a nice flanking position) I'll upgrade one of the engies with the flamer upgrade. Once this hits I attack or go for either my opponents fuel or munitions or a cutoff if I can completely route him. Or divert his forces away from his cutoff. I build T2 because I like having one maxim to defend either my resources or use it to attack his resources / claim his resources. I then try to get the 120mm mortar. You've now got a pretty nice army and I then start laying a lot of mines, this doctrine isn't munitions heavy so you can really spam the crap out of mines as long as you have flamethrowers on both engineers wreacking havoc. The mortar will be your key pivotal unit, defend it well with mines. There's tons of places to hide the mortar and the range is huge. Use it to wreck the enemy Mg's or garrisoned units and then advance with conscripts / flamers. If you encounter a tier2 flame halftrack lure it into mines, if you need get at grenades and disable it then shoot it with guards or get an AT gun, you've got a few options. If you see a lot of panzer grenadiers maybe another maxim might be helpful or another engineer with flames since they take good damage to flame crits (and like i said the faction isn't munitions heavy so you can really SPAM mines). I prefer to go tier 3, but I'm sure tier 4 is completely viable, it really depends what you like. I like the mobility of the t-34. The map is already slow paces so I want stuff to reward flanking and aggressive play. With the mortar throwing off defenses, 2-3 flame engineers and conscripts using merge to keep the engineers on the field, you'll probably push your opponent off at some point. Just the key to this strat for me is mines galore. I think I have a replay of a game I JUST played using this so it may be my temp replay. Let me dig it up. 0 VS Knoxxx ThumbsUp lang winter by: ThumbsUp map: Langreskaya Winter 1 - Edit: Obviously this is just a general guideline and there are things that I could've changed like not losing my engineer, getting tier 3 out faster, playing a bit better but hopefully this gives you some ideas . In: Strategy Desk
Thread: RNG has too much of an impact on games16 Aug 2013, 03:21 AM The RNG in the game is what attracted me (and still attracts) me to the series. If I wanted intensely calculated mathematics I'd just play a different rts In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: SU-85; The Thread15 Aug 2013, 01:24 AM How is this thread not dead lol In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Demolition Charges13 Aug 2013, 19:54 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2013, 19:52 PMCann0nBall In VCOH 1 it will instantly kill the entire squad. It hasn't been my experience in this game where it instagibs. It acts like a larger grenade where if a unit in the building is out of the blast radius it will be unharmed. Really? I've had really solid luck using them then In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Demolition Charges13 Aug 2013, 19:50 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2013, 19:43 PMZ3r07 can it destroy a house or church with the demo charge alone ? I don't think so, I think I'll start playing with demos to see if I can figure out where it stands with building destruction. In: COH2 Balance