Profile of Hannibal

Because arty pieces have OHK protection if they are crewed and explosive hits them to prevent stuka instawiping that considerable investment primarily.

As far as I know those 200 mun offmaps destroy a heavy howitzer instantly.

If you two don't stop your flame war I'm gonna put an end to this bullshit.

If you always win it means that the units you use are absolutely broken OP

Stuka’s incendiary barrage is underrated af. Not sure why you want to replace it if you’ve never used it.

I rarely used it because I think it comes quite late. The times I used it it was alright, but honestly a direct hit with the normal barrage would probably be more effective. It's not a Katy rocket that kills a model and deals AoE, one of the StuKa rockets can kill 4-5 models if it hits right. I just think the advantage is maybe not worth it for the mun cost. Then again I'm not that experienced with it, so if you have further insights feel free to share.

I mean i don't know how strong they'd be but if you WP barrage and then immediatly HE barrage that could be deadly in its own right.

Not immediately. As I said, shorter CD than the normal barrage. Normal barrage is ~2 min, so maybe 1 min would be appropriate? This could also allow for a completely different use of the units if you want to invest munis in it.

Since a discussion about giving incendiary barrage to the Panzerwerfer started, I figured it kight be a good idea to discuss alternative fire modes for rocket arty in general. Let's face it: all of them are currently shit.

PWerfer has counter barrage: honestly next to useless. You don't want to hit a shitty little mortar at max range.
Katyusha has creeping barrage: An ability that probably was thought to be a small StuKa zu Fuß, but turns out to be bad as well because you pay quite a lot of mun to get less rockets with (correct me if I'm wrong) higher pauses between the rockets.
StuKa has napalm rounds: can't remember the costs since it takes a lot of time to get this unit to vet4. I think this ability might actually be useful, but it comes late. Also I'm not sure if the normal barrage might not be straight up better as well.

Keep in mind this thread is NOT about discussing which unit might be a bit better than the other, but about giving them a decent alternative firing mode as it was intended by the game's design. I think this also might be within the scope of a new patch.

I think we have 5 basic choices: incendiary barrages (see StuKa), different firing patterns (see Katy), anti tank rockets, muni for lower cool downs or a range vs scatter trade off.

I would kick out the latter two for probably being harder to balance across game modes.

I suggest the following:
-Katy: keep the creeping barrage, but either make it an area denial tool, increase damage, lower the mun cost. It's a good idea, but absolutely not worth the price and does not give much advantage over the standard firing mode.
-PWerfer: Either AT or incendiary barrage. Everything will be an upgrade over the counter barrage ability. The circular firing pattern would be great zo make it a small incendiary barrage like the Soviet off map ability.
-StuKa: I would go for an AT barrage. It could somewhat help as an additional counter to Allied TDs. It should not kill one obviously, but deal decent damage while also significantly lowering damage vs infantry.