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Compare to USF.
For tank rushing.
Okw has: Volk stg +flame +ATnade, Sturm shreck, ATgun, MG, Kubel, Supportgun (not count InfraredHT & FlakHT because fuel consume)
USF has: RM, Rear, Cap, ATgun, supportgun

There is no way USF can fight or even hold the ground without using Light. Okw can skip it.

I'm not too sure what you're on about. According to your post actually USF would be worse off if they'd build a LV due to the availability of AT options from OKW.

Also I am not sure why you argue that USF needs a LV because OKW can have more units after 40 FU. LV don't come out until the 100 FU mark, so you had to survive to that point anyway, even temporarily with lower unit variety. But at 100 FU USF already has their officer upgrade as well. On the other hand, if USF does not build a LV, there is no use for Schrecks or an ATG, which basically leaves the OKW advantage at potential StGs, Sturmpioneers that get significantly worse the more units are on the field and the Kübelwagen. I've also already shown that the total FU cost is not lower for OKW.

So the only point that I can make out from your post is that USF is somehow forced into weapon racks, which indeed makes things easier and might be needed if you don't get a LV. But that is another topic and at the moment USF is doing actually a little too well it seems

Fuel tech cost here:



Side notes:
- UKF T3 = hammer/anvil
- side tech = weapon/grenade unlocks, OKW T2 repair pioneers
- "full tech" = all tech structures up (usually not the case for SOV, OKW and USF) + side techs (usually no the case for any faction)
- "medium rush" has always chosen the cheapest way to a medium (cheapest tech structure, e.g. OKW T1, and no side tech or medics)
- OKW and OST values: include both the battle phase + building / truck + building cost


There were also previous discussions here:

https://www.coh2.org/topic/96750/redirect-thread-faction-teching-and-timing

and here:

https://www.coh2.org/topic/96422/panzerfusiliers-need-adjustments/page/9



And one last note: The best number we want to discuss about is probably the "FU gain for medium tech" and then add some side tech cost for UKF, maybe USF and also maybe 20 FU for OKW because T1 is not meta.

Now, comparisons:

All factions pay rougly the same amount for getting tech for mediums up. UKF pays the least but usually has to side tech to bolster and/or weapon racks to make it through. OKW pays the most. Another side of the medal is MP cost though, and my calcs on that one show that OKW has a huge advantage here until the early-mid game. This results from unlocks like StGs, snares and nades for which they basically pay no MP and that point in the game. This allows them to invest more into infantry and map control and get some of the fuel disadvantage back, depending on player skill. We can conclude that all factions get their medium tech probably within 30 sec to one min in an even game.

After that players need to wait for the FU for their medium tank. If we assume that mediums are at the moment well balances against one another, then there is no problem. OKW has to wait the longest, but gets the best tank (at least for tank on tank warfare), SOV the shortest but get the worst.

All factions pay roughly the same for full tech, while the non vanilla factions pay the most. However, these factions rarely get full tech (all structures plus all side techs) because it rarely makes sense.

will anything come out for January?can you link me some discussion that talks about the possible balances? thank you

Unfortunately I don't know, so I can not tell you something. Sander93 might be able to give more insight, I often miss some stuff as well.
One thing that is more or less confirmed is a rebalance of heavy tank timing which got a bit messed up after the last patch and caused the "heavy only" meta that we currently have.

Otherwise I can only send you to the forums. OST T4 was a pretty hot discussion topic where people agreed that something should be done about it. There's a vivid Panzerwerfer discussion, Ranger vs Paratrooper, SOV field HQ... It's not obvious what will be taken into account by balance team, they also have to fit their scope and be able to do it in their free time. Also Relic does not allow drastic changes anymore, so most things will be stat changes, abilities and/or upgrades etc.

lol no.

But I am for a Panzerwerfer-buff, give it a low-angle barrage with 70 range. That should be enough buff.

A low angle firing mode would basically guarantee a wipe every time you use it.

kat and caliope have a 98% wipe chance in close range since they land enough rockets in super fast time with no reaction time after hearing sound. you must predict it..and maybe than you can evade. else no chance

The Katy can land at most 3 rockets before the Axis player realizes what happens. You need a decent junk of luck to wipe with that. After that, you know exactly where the rest of the barrage will go down.
The Panzerwerfer is more hit or miss, but the damage done is way higher. It's risk vs reward. Also, unlike the Katy, you never know where it will hit. If you repositioned the wrong unit or your opponent won the mind game and predicted your path, you'll eat everything. If the SOV player won the mindgame, you'll still only eat 3 rockets