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Thread: What to do with the KT?27 Mar 2018, 02:35 AM I feel like the King tiger's enormous damage and dps make it harder to balance. historically the kwk43 used the same/similar projectile as the kwk 36 but loaded with more propellant. of course, damage and hp is kind of arbitrarily to begin with. the IS-2 should really have been the one with 200-240 damage, as its 122m was a huge caliber gun for the period. On the other hand, it was also infamously slow to reload due to the same fact. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Crocodile is useless in team games since patch26 Mar 2018, 05:15 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2018, 04:27 AMthedarkarmadillo @firesparks what i saod was the hull down p4 was more than ~~just~~ a medium tank. 2 extra shots over any medium (an extra shot over a panther or 85) while also shooing faster... And a panther already takes a long time to kill the church because of its health pool. 320 armour and 1280hp for a no limit tank that has fireflies behind it would be far too much.... It's better to have one good tank than two overpriced tank of dubious quality. and we are talking about one of the slowest tank in the game with a 75mm gun. It's a king tiger without the 240 damage ultra penetration cannon. 1280 hp and 320 armor isn't even up to the king tiger's 1280 hp and 375 armor. The Churchill's one job is to push and absorb the damage from stuff like the jagdtiger, elephant, king tiger, and panther while the FF fight back. Unless The british have infinite munition the FF's dps isn't that great for a TD. The lack of any decent mg also meant the Churchill is only "decent" at killing infantry. The croc have better anti-infantry but it lack the smoke and is much more expensive than the regular mk 7. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Let the UC cost fuel26 Mar 2018, 04:57 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Mar 2018, 04:35 AMIncendiaryRounds The armor value of UC is too high. 222/251 have lower armor and they cost 30 fuel. citing armor without HP is useless. the UC only have 200 hp compared to the 320 HP on the 222 and 251. as well as the fact the 222 have a 20mm cannon, and the 251 being able to reinforce troops. the basic bren carrier is hardly worth the MP cost. You don't have a turret and you're relatively slow and cumbersome, so you can't flank. You can't reinforce squad and the occupants can't fight. Tommies are long range combatant so it doesn't make sense to try to dump them behind the enemy. Of all the Allied light trucks, the UC is most likely the least threatening of them all. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Crocodile is useless in team games since patch26 Mar 2018, 02:41 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 23:43 PMthedarkarmadillo The buffs from hulldown make it more than just a simple medium tank, and being able to beat a standard medium hands down isnt a bad thing by anymeans. Should it be contesting panthers ir tigers or something? hulldown bonus: -25% inc damage (854 hp effectively) +25% range -21% reload time. I think you overestimate the bonus on the hull down. the churchill mk 7 had 150 mm of armor on both the hull and the turret. It would have been a difficult tank even for the panther to crack, although the panther would still have the advantage. (the jumbo had similar effective thickness.) The chuchill should lose to the panther but the fight should take a while. I suggested 1280 hp 320 armor in the past and I still stay by the value. HP of a KT with the armor of a panther. (maybe size 20-22) Right now it's 1400 HP 240 HP target size 26. Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 23:03 PMferwiner One thing is certain. If crocodile gets any buffs, its must be tied to highest british tech. and the croc was just a field modification of the mk7, with the same gun and armor. Naturally the croc should be tied to hammer/anvil. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Crocodile is useless in team games since patch25 Mar 2018, 22:18 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 21:33 PMthedarkarmadillo Ive beat a hulled down pv in a slug off with a churchill before... Obviously RNG has a play but its healthpool is of tremendous benifit That's a pretty low standard for what's supposed to be the end cap to the british tech line and british tank arsenal. unlike all other faction, the british common tanks already represent the best tanks they ever used during the war. No blackprince or centurion to pull out of their ass, even the super pershing would be more historical seeing as how it at least fought. If the churchill can't even beat the weakest Axis tank by itself, it's not going to be very useful. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Crocodile is useless in team games since patch25 Mar 2018, 19:06 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 18:27 PMIncendiaryRounds Actually I meant that allied TDs are buffed to counter KT armor levels. But thanks for elaborating anyways. being a real heavy tank require the tank to have both great firepower as well as great armor. the king tiger, tiger, is2, all packed both powerful gun as well as high armor value. (the 76mm on the kv-1 was actually a very formidable gun at the time of its introduction, in 1939. the t-34 were designed later than the kv-1). The range and penetration on the TD is a necessity of the fact they can not match the heavy in a slug match. the churchill lacked the heavy armament of a heavy tank. the 75mm is "decent/ok" but lack the punch to effectively fight back The heavy. A tiger or king tiger will absolutely stomped the churchill. The panzer4 is about the toughest tank the churchill can win in a slug fight, and the slow speed on the churchill prevent any flanking maneuver. This means that both the okw and ost have unit that will reliably win against the churchill 1 on 1. By contrast, none of the common allied tank can hope to match the axis heavy in a straight on fight. (pershing and is-2 being limited to doctrine) the main role of the churchill is really to acting as the meatshield for the Firefly, but even then the churchill's durability is not high enough for this task. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: pzgren should be wehr's dedicated tank hunters25 Mar 2018, 18:23 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 18:09 PMKatitof ATGs and TDs are very relevant for the discussion as some people seem to be under the false impression that handheld AT should be main source of AT damage instead of only supportive one. AT which is as easy to use and preserve as infantry handheld AT will never be on pair with TDs and ATGs and will always serve as deterrent or some help during pushes, but will never take the role of main AV unless you really spam it like mad-the only "issue" in this thread is that axis handheld AT can not be spammed to a-move like zook noob blobs in 4v4 can. Changing the panzgrenadier isn't just about handheld AT, it is about mobile at. mobile at provide flank protection and strategic initiative. Without a suitable mobile at, the wehr is stuck on the defensive during t2. This allow the allies to get a considerable lead on the wehr. The pak40 is great no doubt, but it is only one piece of the puzzle. it is still an atg how the usual weakness. It is vulnerable and slow to deploy. A decent setup require the pak to work with a "weaker" but more mobile at to protect it. A mobile AT is also more forgiving since it can retreat more easily. This allow the player to be more bold. and the faust isn't enough. it's a great ward against flanker but it's a compliment, not a substitute for mobile at or atg. You can managed with just faust and atg, but that leaves you at a considerable disadvantage in the t2 phase against the USF and sov, who can bring light tank, inf atw, snare, and atg on the field. The variety provide considerable advantage. since they cover each other's weakness (aka combined arms) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: pzgren should be wehr's dedicated tank hunters25 Mar 2018, 18:01 PM the thread is getting off topic with the discussion on medium tank, td, and atg. stuff like that deserve a thread of its own. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: pzgren should be wehr's dedicated tank hunters25 Mar 2018, 17:59 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 17:53 PMIncendiaryRounds Speaking of puma, it doesn't come fast enough at 5 cp. I think 4 cp is balanced. The rest of the doc is quite weak so the puma better come on time while it would make the doctrine better, I still believe it's necessary to lower the wehr's dependency on the doctrine. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Is OKW dead? what's your opinion? 25 Mar 2018, 00:12 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 00:38 AMStorm Elite Who discusses balance in the context of anything other than 1vs1? whenever people want to nerf the british. In: COH2 Balance